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#129519 18-Sep-2013 14:55

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9180359/US-can-access-NZ-fingerprint-info

What are your thoughts on this? From the sound of the article it seems like NZ will end up providing access to US immigration to all manner of information based on fingerprint matches.

I suppose this means if a fingerprint raises a flag with US authorities they can request information sharing from NZ. Is that how it reads to others?

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#897761 18-Sep-2013 15:26

AFAIK nobody in the entire world has my fingerprints and short of the very unlikely event of me being arrested, they won't be getting them either!

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#897788 18-Sep-2013 15:55

Geektastic: AFAIK nobody in the entire world has my fingerprints and short of the very unlikely event of me being arrested, they won't be getting them either!

Just don't buy an iPhone 5S then..

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#897793 18-Sep-2013 15:56

No one except the US has my finger prints and iris scan...
Had to give them to the US when I was in transit (plane refueling in LAX) to the UK. Guess this means that NZ can now have my finger prints too. Didn't even enter the stupid country.

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#897794 18-Sep-2013 15:57

Anybody applying for a US visa has to supply fingerprints anyway.

We just fortunate that here in NZ we are part of their visa waiver program and we don't have to supply our fingerprints when applying for a visa.

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#897798 18-Sep-2013 16:04

Klipspringer: Anybody applying for a US visa has to supply fingerprints anyway.

We just fortunate that here in NZ we are part of their visa waiver program and we don't have to supply our fingerprints when applying for a visa.

Pretty sure I had to supply my fingerprints under the visa waiver program at the point of entry to the US though, so no better off.

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#897806 18-Sep-2013 16:17

Klipspringer: Anybody applying for a US visa has to supply fingerprints anyway.

We just fortunate that here in NZ we are part of their visa waiver program and we don't have to supply our fingerprints when applying for a visa.

Yep fingerprints captured at port of entry. I travelled to the US last month on visa waiver and everyone got fingerprinted as we went through immigration at LAX. They have a machine that scans all 10 fingers in about 20-30 seconds

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#897834 18-Sep-2013 17:04

Yep, the US already has my fingerprints too from a year or so back. My irritation is that now potentially means they will also have access to more personal information.

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#897837 18-Sep-2013 17:07

US has my prints from last time I went. I'm going again later in the year and I wonder whether they'll want them a second time.

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#897849 18-Sep-2013 17:12

Behodar: US has my prints from last time I went. I'm going again later in the year and I wonder whether they'll want them a second time.

They take them everytime you enter the country.

Even if you just drove over the border for lunch.

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#897851 18-Sep-2013 17:13

Even though they (apparently) don't change over the years. Sigh.

They're so paranoid over there!

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#897896 18-Sep-2013 18:14

Lol I don't think any one has my fingerprints. Unless they got them when I was a child when I got my passport for my trip to auz.

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#897897 18-Sep-2013 18:17

Geektastic: AFAIK nobody in the entire world has my fingerprints and short of the very unlikely event of me being arrested, they won't be getting them either!

how are you able to achieve this?

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#897994 18-Sep-2013 20:42

For the last decade or so, you need to supply your fingerprints in order to apply for a Dutch passport. They are stored in the e-Passport chip (now commonly used at many European airports border control terminals)

So the Dutch government as well as the US have my prints, I don't really care though.

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#898128 19-Sep-2013 00:21

I'm not saying if the US has my fingerprints or not since they could be data matching against this forum ;)

A decade ago, on entering the US I got a huge scare. When checking my passport the officer reprimanded me for having changed my hotel on my previous visit, without notifying them. I'd given my address, as you do, when completing the card on entry and the hotel I was booked into was terrible so I moved to another. Seriously, people must move around all the time! For some reason, this change was in their computer system and he commented on it and told me not to do that again. I haven't been back on US soil since - put me right off. If they were tracking visitors to that extent then imagine what they are doing now <shudder>.

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#898137 19-Sep-2013 05:07

Behodar: Even though they (apparently) don't change over the years. Sigh.

They're so paranoid over there!

It does help them to spot a number of cases in which they are interested:

* More than one person using the same passport.

* One person claiming to have lost their passport.

* One person with several passports. (May be legit of course.)

Just imagine if everyone in the world had to give their fingerprints every time that they tried to obtain or use a passport and if all of those prints went into a worldwide database for checking.

Would that be a terrible invasion of our privacy or would it be good because Israel could no longer get away with obtaining NZ passports for Mossad assassination teams and dodgy NZ MPs could no longer obtain a spare passport in the name of a dead person?

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