Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




9715 posts

Uber Geek


#147384 17-Jun-2014 21:57
Send private message

For people who believe that it's all "conspiracy theory", three images below.
EQ > M2.5, 30 days

Increase in EQ activity:



Very interesting IMO.  Coincidence - perhaps.  The "official" position from USGS seem to be changing.





View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
4431 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1067941 17-Jun-2014 21:59
Send private message

Are they actually "earthquakes" or seismometers reading unnatural movement due to fracking? 



9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1067943 17-Jun-2014 22:05
Send private message

blakamin: Are they actually "earthquakes" or seismometers reading unnatural movement due to fracking? 


They are real earthquakes.  Shallow and quite strong, yesterday for example a M4.5 quake produced peak ground shaking in excess of 25%/g.  That's enough to cause some building damage.
They are shallow EQs, but hypocentre still 5km or so, well below the depth of fluid injection.  But still...

 
 
 
 


542 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  #1067944 17-Jun-2014 22:06
Send private message

Whether they're true earthquakes or unnatural movement, is the net result the same and reasons for concern still valid?

1923 posts

Uber Geek


  #1067972 17-Jun-2014 22:47
Send private message

So which are, or where were, the fracking sites?

And

If you made up a similar image set for say Taranaki (where I'm guessing we frack) would it look similar?

Canterbury?

19282 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #1067975 17-Jun-2014 22:51
Send private message

Not this topic again

270 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  #1067978 17-Jun-2014 22:54
One person supports this post
Send private message

Is there any way to show earthquake / seismic activity for the same timeframe, but in areas where no fracking is done?




Michael Skyrme - Instrumentation & Controls

/dev/null
9153 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1067986 17-Jun-2014 23:05
Send private message

Just an automated system picking up the ground acceleration of tornadoes, move along, nothing to see here.




 
 
 
 




9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1067988 17-Jun-2014 23:09
Send private message

MikeSkyrme: Is there any way to show earthquake / seismic activity for the same timeframe, but in areas where no fracking is done?


Yes.  Use USGS archives / maps.




9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1068005 17-Jun-2014 23:16
Send private message

michaelmurfy: Just an automated system picking up the ground acceleration of tornadoes, move along, nothing to see here.


Ummm...
They are earthquakes - nothing at all to do with tornadoes, the reports are reviewed by USGS seismologists - so it's not "just an automated system" and if there was nothing to see, I wouldn't have started this thread - which included in my original post three images which are absolutely something to see.

Now that you're wrong on all three points, what's your theory?  Are you suggesting that the huge increase in >M3 earthquakes in that area is due to something causing more tornadoes?  



9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1068019 17-Jun-2014 23:23
Send private message

johnr: Not this topic again


Yes - sorry about that. The topic may be the same, but there is some new information.

/dev/null
9153 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1068023 17-Jun-2014 23:30
One person supports this post
Send private message

Fred99:
michaelmurfy: Just an automated system picking up the ground acceleration of tornadoes, move along, nothing to see here.


Ummm...
They are earthquakes - nothing at all to do with tornadoes, the reports are reviewed by USGS seismologists - so it's not "just an automated system" and if there was nothing to see, I wouldn't have started this thread - which included in my original post three images which are absolutely something to see.

Now that you're wrong on all three points, what's your theory?  Or is your post political?


Geonet records tonnes of fake Earthquakes too however we are a much smaller country and these are quickly removed.

I was actually serious, the USGS automated system records quite a bit of fake positives and swarms of earthquakes happen, it is how the earth moves. Not all events happen like the Christchurch or Wellington ones with the earth shifting that much. I honestly don't believe this is caused by what you say it is and think you're being purely skeptical.

It is on the same level of taking the Lake Taupo swarm of 2011 (Link) and blaming somebody fishing on top of the lake for the whole event. Yes there will be a small amount of ground movement caused by Fracking and I think you're getting mistaken with the normal ground movement as in less than 2mag quakes (unnoticeable) with a bigger event.

Honestly, nothing to see here.








9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1068024 17-Jun-2014 23:30
Send private message

oxnsox: So which are, or where were, the fracking sites?

And

If you made up a similar image set for say Taranaki (where I'm guessing we frack) would it look similar?

Canterbury?


There are fracking sites all over the state.  Almost all of the quakes are close to fracking sites.  However, as there are fracking sites all over the state, then almost all of Oklahoma is close to a fracking site...
So there's not a simple answer to that.

No, I don't recall a similar swarm of EQ in Taranaki.  The geology is completely different.  As far as I'm aware there's never been any fracking in Canterbury.



9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1068034 17-Jun-2014 23:37
Send private message

michaelmurfy: I think you're getting mistaken with the normal ground movement as in less than 2mag quakes (unnoticeable) with a bigger event.

Honestly, nothing to see here.




No I'm not.  The quakes on the map are all > M 2.5.  The chart is based on only > M 3 events.  They are not "fake" earthquakes, or tornadoes, or whatever else.  They are "real" seismic earthquake events, a point of interest is that they may be induced by fracking.

It's also nothing like the Taupo swarm, the duration and rate of increase in frequency is a whole different league.
Please also don't disingenuously suggest that I am claiming causation from fracking - at least please give me the respect to read what I'm saying, then argue against that if you feel the need - rather than revert to straw-man arguments to discredit me.  I'm presenting some information, which might be of interest to some people.


/dev/null
9153 posts

Uber Geek

Moderator
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #1068038 17-Jun-2014 23:40
Send private message

Fred99:
michaelmurfy: I think you're getting mistaken with the normal ground movement as in less than 2mag quakes (unnoticeable) with a bigger event.

Honestly, nothing to see here.




No I'm not.  The quakes on the map are all > M 2.5.  The chart is based on only > M 3 events.

It's also nothing like the Taupo swarm, the duration and rate of increase in frequency is a whole different league.
Please also don't disingenuously suggest that I am claiming causation from fracking - at least please give me the respect to read what I'm saying, then argue against that if you feel the need - rather than revert to straw-man arguments to discredit me.  I'm presenting some information, which might be of interest to some people.



The west coast gets quite a bit of quakes...



Sorry couldn't resist - not trying to discredit you, I just don't think your information is sound to suggest Frackling is causing this. I honestly think it is overreacting but anyway, that is my opinion.






9715 posts

Uber Geek


  #1068042 17-Jun-2014 23:48
Send private message

michaelmurfy:
Fred99:
michaelmurfy: I think you're getting mistaken with the normal ground movement as in less than 2mag quakes (unnoticeable) with a bigger event.

Honestly, nothing to see here.




No I'm not.  The quakes on the map are all > M 2.5.  The chart is based on only > M 3 events.

It's also nothing like the Taupo swarm, the duration and rate of increase in frequency is a whole different league.
Please also don't disingenuously suggest that I am claiming causation from fracking - at least please give me the respect to read what I'm saying, then argue against that if you feel the need - rather than revert to straw-man arguments to discredit me.  I'm presenting some information, which might be of interest to some people.



The west coast gets quite a bit of quakes...



Sorry couldn't resist - not trying to discredit you, I just don't think your information is sound to suggest Frackling is causing this. I honestly think it is overreacting but anyway, that is my opinion. 


"My" information is from USGS:

USGS statistically analyzed the recent earthquake rate changes and found that they do not seem to be due to
typical, random fluctuations in natural seismicity rates. Significant changes in both the background rate of
events and earthquake triggers needed to have occurred in order to explain the increases in seismicity, which is
not typically observed when modeling natural earthquakes.

The analysis suggests that a likely contributing factor to the increase in earthquakes is triggering by wastewater
injected into deep geologic formations.

I politely suggest that you need to learn not to shoot the messenger, and when discussing any science topic, try to keep an open mind.

 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Intel introduces 10th Gen Intel Core H-series for mobile devices
Posted 2-Apr-2020 21:09


COVID-19: new charitable initiative to fund remote monitoring for at-risk patients
Posted 2-Apr-2020 11:07


Huawei introduces the P40 Series of Android-based smartphones
Posted 31-Mar-2020 17:03


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip now available for pre-order in New Zealand
Posted 31-Mar-2020 16:39


New online learning platform for kids stuck at home during COVID-19 lockdown
Posted 26-Mar-2020 21:35


New 5G Nokia smartphone unveiled as portfolio expands
Posted 26-Mar-2020 17:11


D-Link ANZ launches wireless AC1200 4G LTE router
Posted 26-Mar-2020 16:32


Ring introduces two new video doorbells and new pre-roll technology
Posted 17-Mar-2020 16:59


OPPO uncovers flagship Find X2 Pro smartphone
Posted 17-Mar-2020 16:54


D-Link COVR-2202 mesh Wi-Fi system now protected by McAfee
Posted 17-Mar-2020 16:00


Spark Sport opens its platform up to all New Zealanders at no charge
Posted 17-Mar-2020 10:04


Spark launches 5G Starter Fund
Posted 8-Mar-2020 19:19


TRENDnet launches high-performance WiFi Mesh Router System
Posted 5-Mar-2020 08:48


Sony boosts full-frame lens line-up with introduction of FE 20mm F1.8 G large-aperture ultra-wide-angle prime Lens
Posted 5-Mar-2020 08:44


Vector and Spark teamed up on smart metering initiative
Posted 5-Mar-2020 08:42



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.