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# 175643 7-Jul-2015 08:34
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Morning Everyone

Just wondering if anyone has used the linkedin recruiter package yet for their company?
Got a quote from them which is total madness!

surely this cant be right? AUD $30k+ annually???





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  # 1338277 7-Jul-2015 08:42
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My understanding of recruiting companies is they charge up to 50% of a new hires salary, so tens of thousands of dollars. With that frame of reference LinkedIn would be pretty cheap, if anyone actually used it to find a job. They keep show me, an IT solution architect, roles about buildings.



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  # 1338291 7-Jul-2015 08:57
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timmmay: My understanding of recruiting companies is they charge up to 50% of a new hires salary, so tens of thousands of dollars. With that frame of reference LinkedIn would be pretty cheap, if anyone actually used it to find a job. They keep show me, an IT solution architect, roles about buildings.


If Linkedin went out and found people, then i could sort of understand. But its an online service....like Seek....
Haha the algorithm probably see's the word "architect" and believes your forte is in buildings haha.




 
 
 
 


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  # 1338301 7-Jul-2015 09:11
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timmmay: My understanding of recruiting companies is they charge up to 50% of a new hires salary, so tens of thousands of dollars. With that frame of reference LinkedIn would be pretty cheap, if anyone actually used it to find a job. They keep show me, an IT solution architect, roles about buildings.


Nah - rates for perm are about 10% to 15% of the salary.

Those LinkedIn costs are ridiculous - what do you get for them exactly that an agency cannot give you?  Or even your own search of candidates on LinkedIn?

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  # 1338314 7-Jul-2015 09:45
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I would not pay them a bean.

I am a photographer and they keep suggesting things like "Change Manager" and "Solutions Architect" under 'Jobs You May Be Interested In"! I wouldn't even manage to read the job description all the way through for those roles without screaming "bull dander" and throwing them in the bin....





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  # 1338318 7-Jul-2015 09:48
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I hate recruitment companies.
It's akin to human trafficking in my view, just trading people with skills they've worked hard to obtain and then claiming they brought something useful to the party as well.

Linked in jobs don't seem to align with NZ's geographical layout very well, with my area being lumped in with areas a long way away, with no ability to filter further down easily.
I still think it's seek first in NZ presently, followed by trademe and linked in etc afterwards.  Anyone seriously looking for a job will be on seek.  Linked in may catch those who aren't actively looking, like passive poaching...

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  # 1338355 7-Jul-2015 10:48
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Jaxson: I hate recruitment companies.
It's akin to human trafficking in my view, just trading people with skills they've worked hard to obtain and then claiming they brought something useful to the party as well.

Linked in jobs don't seem to align with NZ's geographical layout very well, with my area being lumped in with areas a long way away, with no ability to filter further down easily.
I still think it's seek first in NZ presently, followed by trademe and linked in etc afterwards.  Anyone seriously looking for a job will be on seek.  Linked in may catch those who aren't actively looking, like passive poaching...


No different from real estate agents. Do nothing but show a few people round a house after doing a short course and collecting coupons from cereal box tops and then claim vast sums of money. You could pay cash for a brand new Subaru Outback for what they want to charge to sell our house.





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  # 1338360 7-Jul-2015 10:56
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Geektastic:
Jaxson: I hate recruitment companies.
It's akin to human trafficking in my view, just trading people with skills they've worked hard to obtain and then claiming they brought something useful to the party as well.

Linked in jobs don't seem to align with NZ's geographical layout very well, with my area being lumped in with areas a long way away, with no ability to filter further down easily.
I still think it's seek first in NZ presently, followed by trademe and linked in etc afterwards.  Anyone seriously looking for a job will be on seek.  Linked in may catch those who aren't actively looking, like passive poaching...


No different from real estate agents. Do nothing but show a few people round a house after doing a short course and collecting coupons from cereal box tops and then claim vast sums of money. You could pay cash for a brand new Subaru Outback for what they want to charge to sell our house.


I would like to offer a slightly different view - I am an I.T. contractor, have been for many years, and most (but not all) of my work comes via agencies, especially from the larger companies who want to hire, as they prefer outsourcing the task or contacting/interviewing/short-listing.  So in this case they are a necessity, but after a while you develop relationships with agencies and this can help with new contracts and getting hired quicker.  I don't fully subscribe to them being worthless - they have the contacts inside companies that I don't have, and they spend the time doing the follow ups, meetings, contract negotiation that I don't want to have to bother with (and that wouldn't be chargeable time either).

However I do think some charge far too much - they often add an amount (not a percentage) to hourly rates.  The worst recent example was a non-IT agency I contracted through (they primarily deal with accounting work) and they added $20/hour, which I think it far too much.  Especially since I have not heard from them since leaving 6 months ago.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1338365 7-Jul-2015 11:05
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Geektastic:

No different from real estate agents.


No, it's not, and I have similar feelings about that industry also.

That said I agree with the comments from above also, in that they have their place.

My beef comes from me seeing an add in the paper, applying, impressing the recruitment guy so much he drives me to Wellington to present me to the head office, they are happy as, I get the job, and for months they keep talking about how great that recruitment company was.

If they've placed the ad themselves, the same events would have occurred, same end result, they just didn't want the hassle, but paid horrendously so someone else could weed out the other applicants.
In this case though it was quite a specialised area, and given I don't live in a big city, there weren't a lot of suitable takers available anyway.
Could have taken that money and paid me more for a start wink

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  # 1338545 7-Jul-2015 14:07
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timbosan:
Geektastic:
Jaxson: I hate recruitment companies.
It's akin to human trafficking in my view, just trading people with skills they've worked hard to obtain and then claiming they brought something useful to the party as well.

Linked in jobs don't seem to align with NZ's geographical layout very well, with my area being lumped in with areas a long way away, with no ability to filter further down easily.
I still think it's seek first in NZ presently, followed by trademe and linked in etc afterwards.  Anyone seriously looking for a job will be on seek.  Linked in may catch those who aren't actively looking, like passive poaching...


No different from real estate agents. Do nothing but show a few people round a house after doing a short course and collecting coupons from cereal box tops and then claim vast sums of money. You could pay cash for a brand new Subaru Outback for what they want to charge to sell our house.


I would like to offer a slightly different view - I am an I.T. contractor, have been for many years, and most (but not all) of my work comes via agencies, especially from the larger companies who want to hire, as they prefer outsourcing the task or contacting/interviewing/short-listing.  So in this case they are a necessity, but after a while you develop relationships with agencies and this can help with new contracts and getting hired quicker.  I don't fully subscribe to them being worthless - they have the contacts inside companies that I don't have, and they spend the time doing the follow ups, meetings, contract negotiation that I don't want to have to bother with (and that wouldn't be chargeable time either).

However I do think some charge far too much - they often add an amount (not a percentage) to hourly rates.  The worst recent example was a non-IT agency I contracted through (they primarily deal with accounting work) and they added $20/hour, which I think it far too much.  Especially since I have not heard from them since leaving 6 months ago.


I agree and my wife also contracts, and gets a lot of her work via agencies. Her worst example was one that insisted she bill them at the agreed rate per hour and they were billing the client rather than her - then making her wait 4 weeks for her pay!





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  # 1338548 7-Jul-2015 14:15
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Geektastic:
I agree and my wife also contracts, and gets a lot of her work via agencies. Her worst example was one that insisted she bill them at the agreed rate per hour and they were billing the client rather than her - then making her wait 4 weeks for her pay!


That is how most of the IT agencies work.  Some pay weekly but a lot pay monthly and anything from early in the month right up to 20th of the month for some.

I prefer those that pay weekly but ultimately if they've got the work and I'm looking I go where the work is.  There really isn't much choice in the IT market at the moment.

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  # 1338590 7-Jul-2015 15:02
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Those rates from LinkedIn are ridiculous!  I used to think it was quite a good site now I get at least 1 request a week from people who are clearly not what they are making out to be.  After all, why would the Governor of the Bank of England (I kid you not!) be wanting to connect with me on LinkedIn??  I'm sick of reporting all the dubious ones.  I got one last week that was from Helen Mirren with her picture - I'm sure she needs a good BA right?

And I also contract, sometimes through agencies and sometimes through word of mouth/referrals.  Like all things some agency people are good and some lazy.  The current one I'm working for told me they pay monthly on the 25th of the month following - very cheeky in my view.  They also insisted on preparing my invoices for me and refused to let me do it myself.  Then the final straw was invoicing for a 4/4/5 week period rather than calendar month.  That mean I was waiting for some of my April pay until 25th June surprised

After a very sternly worded email they can now apparently pay me fortnightly!!!  I should think so too when they are earning $15ph for all my work meaning $600 per week for doing NOTHING now.  They got me the initial interview and sent me their contract, but that was pretty much about it.  Over the course of my current 6 month contract they will earn ~$15,000.  Hey, maybe that's where the LinkedIn fees came from?  HAHAHA

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I'm an L&D Specialist that was made redundant from MBIE at the beginning of the year and am now contracting... you can guess who LinkedIn suggested I should work for?

I even took a screenshot and posted it as a LinkedIn status update for lols.

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  # 1339078 8-Jul-2015 09:16
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Had an email from Linked in today. Remember, I am a professional photographer.

Apparently, Simpson Grierson, Bloomberg and Deloittes are looking for candidates like me and I may be interested in the following jobs:

 

     

  1. Corporate Associate (wtf is that?)
  2. Blloomberg Campus Ambassador (eh?)
  3. Public Sector Solutions Architect - Amazon Web Services (I managed to connect a router, iMac, printer and ethernet switch in my office - is that enough experience?)
  4. Senior Customer Experience Design Practitioner - NZ Post (you what?)
  5. Deputy Chief Finance Executive - Service Delivery Ministry of Social Development

 



5 jobs I would be less suited for it is hard to imagine. Also illustrates to me that sometime between when I left university and today, the business world stopped using the English language.





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  # 1339082 8-Jul-2015 09:21
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I think you find being a member of Linkedin is not compulsory, if you don't like the way it works, vote with your feet (or mouse in this case) I did.

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  # 1339134 8-Jul-2015 10:44
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kiwitrc: I think you find being a member of Linkedin is not compulsory, if you don't like the way it works, vote with your feet (or mouse in this case) I did.


It depends what you do. My wife, for example, gets work (of a relevant nature!) via contacts there and she is very much expected to be on it in her field.

I think it is less ubiquitous in NZ than it is in say the USA but again I think it depends on your field.

People do find you on it - an Art Director at an international creative agency office in Asia reached out to me via Linked in just last week because he had seen my work and wanted to get in touch.





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