Denmark produced 140% of electricity demand with wind power. Meanwhile, Wikipedia references say New Zealand generates only 5% of demand through wind power - which is something we don't lack around some places.
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cleggy2: If you fly into Copenhagen there are about a thousand turbines in the water, so they don't even take up any space on land.
joker97: New Zealand is a weird country. At every level the governance is extremely short sighted and targeted at self preservation.
At national level everything is updated to a five year capacity. Problem is it takes 5 years to approve 5 years to plan and 5 years to build and then you are already ten years behind. Same with councils, and local hospital board etc.
Even then if one person makes enough noise to sound the 6pm news it will put everything on hold. Eg the Christchurch cathedral. Even the cathedral goers and owners want to rebuild it. But some wizard (i am just guessing would normally have nothing to do with the cathedral) makes some noise and so now it's still a majestic piece of ruin 5 years on.
Not sure why.
timmmay:cleggy2: If you fly into Copenhagen there are about a thousand turbines in the water, so they don't even take up any space on land.
There are turbines in the water whether you fly in or not... you can just see them better from a plane.
Geektastic:timmmay:cleggy2: If you fly into Copenhagen there are about a thousand turbines in the water, so they don't even take up any space on land.
There are turbines in the water whether you fly in or not... you can just see them better from a plane.
So true!
Do we have any water ones here or is it just our hilltops?
They could build thousands in places like fiordland and no one would ever see them apart from the moose.
Handle9:Geektastic:timmmay:cleggy2: If you fly into Copenhagen there are about a thousand turbines in the water, so they don't even take up any space on land.
There are turbines in the water whether you fly in or not... you can just see them better from a plane.
So true!
Do we have any water ones here or is it just our hilltops?
They could build thousands in places like fiordland and no one would ever see them apart from the moose.
Yep and then we would have to invest hundreds of millions in upgrading the distribution system to get the power to where it could be used. If Tiwai Point gets mothballed we'll have the same problem with the Manapouri Dam. A ton of excess generation with no way of getting the power to the North Island where it is needed.
It all sounds very good in theory but it's highly impractical. We need more generation closer to the main centres, not in the South Island.
As I said earlier we have an excess of generation in New Zealand at the moment, and will do for over 5 years, possibly longer due to our dropping industrial base, and energy efficiency measures having very attractive ROIs form large consumers.
sbiddle: Denmark is smart. They export wind power to other countries for a premium and buy in cheap nuclear power to form a base load for the grid!
Geektastic:joker97: New Zealand is a weird country. At every level the governance is extremely short sighted and targeted at self preservation.
At national level everything is updated to a five year capacity. Problem is it takes 5 years to approve 5 years to plan and 5 years to build and then you are already ten years behind. Same with councils, and local hospital board etc.
Even then if one person makes enough noise to sound the 6pm news it will put everything on hold. Eg the Christchurch cathedral. Even the cathedral goers and owners want to rebuild it. But some wizard (i am just guessing would normally have nothing to do with the cathedral) makes some noise and so now it's still a majestic piece of ruin 5 years on.
Not sure why.
I will concur that it takes a very long time to get anything done.
Part of it is a curious belief that "people" must be "consulted" instead of being told what will happen. Ergo, everything gets bogged down because you can't run a nation by committee and expect to achieve a lot.
Given that, by definition, 50% of "people" are below average intelligence, consulting them serves very little purpose that I can divine other than creating the mirage that their opinions are 'taken into account'.
JWR:sbiddle: Denmark is smart. They export wind power to other countries for a premium and buy in cheap nuclear power to form a base load for the grid!
Good for them!
But, New Zealand isn't Denmark.
It is stupidity to blindly follow them.
We have our own advantages.
The South Island has decent rainfall and a high mountain range backbone. water+gravity ==> cheap hydro
The North Island has bubbling mud ==> geothermal.
Sure wind power has a place. But, it isn't as reliable/consistent or cheap as our main advantages.
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