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Topic # 198696 19-Jul-2016 13:48
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As per title, would love to see a discussion on this. Feel free to chime in on all/some of the below.

 

 

 

1. Do you subscribe to any news sites? If so, with whom do you hold subscriptions?

 

2. Why did you choose to subscribe?

 

3. How much do you pay? 

 

4. Will you keep your subscription(s)?

 

5. Any other news outlets that you thought about subscribing to but ultimately did not?

 

6. Any news outlets that are currently free that you definitely won't subscribe to, should a paywall be introduced?

 

7. What are your feelings around paywalls generally?

 

 

 

My answers:

 

1. Yes - New York Times, Washington Post and the Guardian.

 

2. In the case of the American newspapers,  because I am interested in US politics and because I particularly enjoy the quality of their op-eds, book reviews, and classical music reviews, things that southern hemisphere news outlets are particularly weak on IMO. In the case of The Guardian, I think they have the widest coverage, with different editions containing very different contents. I also particularly support their model of trying to co-exist in a world of "free" and also softly encouraging people to subscribe or become supporters, with two very affordable tiers of subscriptions. I have chosen the more expensive one. Generally speaking, I also accept that good journalism does cost money and that not everyone can live in a purely ad-supported model.

 

3. Approximately $27 NZD a year for Washinton Post (discounted by 80% - they run discounts all the time); $140 per year for NYT (50% off) and $100 for The Guardian.

 

4. I am seriously considering dropping the NYT subscription because I think it is just poor value and also because I dislike their business practices. The tier that includes access to their Ipad app is about 30% more expensive and their "normal" subscription rates are just insane. Albeit that you pretty much never have to pay it as the moment your one year discount period is up, you can just unsubscribe and then subscribe again using another e-mail address. I even spoke with their customer service and ask if I can be spared the hassle and be given the new rate permanently as a loyal subscriber of 3 years. They said "no". You also constantly get offers of free access after previously subscribing and then discontinuing. 

 

5. Occasionally, I have been tempted to subscribe to Financial Times and the NBR but I fundamentally object to sites that bury their stuff behind total or near-total paywalls. In the case of FT, I also consider their pricing to be insane.

 

6. There is no way that I will ever pay for Stuff. If I can get the Herald for about 5 bucks a month for digital access, I probably will subscribe.

 

7. As per above, sites that bury their stuff behind total paywalls have no chance with me. I refuse to part with money on principle just to read one or a series of articles of interest. Sites that offer nothing in way of trials and largely trade off their reputation (I am looking at you, FT) also bother me. The sites that ultimately will retain my support are ones that provide realistic "normal" pricing, transparent details as to how much things will cost after offers expire (I saw a Wall Street Journal offer that did not disclose their annual subscription rate at all - no thanks) and easy cancellation (the NYT's behaviour in this regard is shameful - if you give them your credit card details, you have to ring their helpline to cancel; I use Paypal and just kill the monthly payment agreement).

 

Ultimately, I'd like to see softer paywalls and/or more persuasion-based subscription models that the likes of the Guardian are pushing. I also have a pretty firm view that I will pay no more than $200 NZD a year max for any one site and would prefer to pay half that usually.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1595035 19-Jul-2016 13:50
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.





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  Reply # 1595038 19-Jul-2016 14:02
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timmmay:

 

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

 

 

Would Geekzone count as a "news site"? cool





 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1595042 19-Jul-2016 14:08
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I suppose :)

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1595044 19-Jul-2016 14:10
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sonyxperiageek:

 

timmmay:

 

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

 

 

Would Geekzone count as a "news site"? cool

 

 

Good point. I certainly get a lot of technical news here, as well as worthwhile links. And yes, I am a subscriber. In fact, GZ is the only site I subscribe to, unless you count Unotelly.

 

 





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  Reply # 1595046 19-Jul-2016 14:19
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As a pensioner with limited income who no longer participates in the economy in any meaningful way, I do not and would not pay for access to any news site. If I was still working, that would probably be different as I would probably need to be better informed to do the kind of work I would likely be engaged in. As a private person I still have an interest in being informed, but free news sources are more than adequate for that. Unless things change very drastically, I doubt I would ever be prepared to pay for news. Feeding the body still takes precedence over feeding the mind.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1595048 19-Jul-2016 14:20
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The only site I pay for specifically is Geekzone.  I guess in some way though I  pay for all if one was to regard the monthly BB cost as paying for news.

 

 

 

To answer your questions directly....

 

 

 

1. Do you subscribe to any news sites? If so, with whom do you hold subscriptions?....... Geekzone 

 

 

 

2. Why did you choose to subscribe?...... To support a local initiative

 

 

 

3. How much do you pay? .....$25 pa from memory

 

 

 

4. Will you keep your subscription(s)?.... yes I will if things continue as they are

 

 

 

5. Any other news outlets that you thought about subscribing to but ultimately did not?..... not really

 

 

 

6. Any news outlets that are currently free that you definitely won't subscribe to, should a paywall be introduced?.... Stuff, NZ Herald, TVNZ, The News Hub.......

 

 

 

7. What are your feelings around paywalls generally?.... If a new site is going to paywall they better be doing a damm good job with professional content free of grammar and spelling errors ( I know rich coming from me with my dreadful grammar :P)





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  Reply # 1595050 19-Jul-2016 14:22
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Yes: NBR. 

 

It has some articles that interest me beyond the pay-wall.  The research and reporting is usually of a high quality standard.  I used to be paper subscriber.

 

It's possibly more like current affairs than daily news.

 

If there was a good news site that included NZ news I would consider paying for that too.

 

Currently we get what we pay for with stuff, herald etc (and we pay nothing).

 

It's no longer about accuracy or professionalism it's about fast and sensational.

 

Except for The Onion. That's awesome.

 

 





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  Reply # 1595054 19-Jul-2016 14:24
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NYT and Guardian.
Impartiality, informative, good value for money. (certainly less than I spend in coffee).

And Geekzone of course 😊.
Contemplating New scientist.

nzherald will never pay for.
Poor quality, lowering by the weekend.


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  Reply # 1595071 19-Jul-2016 14:45
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afe66: NYT and Guardian.
Impartiality, informative, good value for money. (certainly less than I spend in coffee).


 

 

 

Interesting thoughts - thanks. Curious as to which of these two outlets you consider to be better? I find that nobody beats NYT for full length feature/investigative pieces but sometimes even I find them way too long and wordy. Their international coverage generally also can't hold a candle to the Guardian's. I wouldn't necessarily always describe them as impartial (even though I see what you mean). If you look at their publications as a whole, it's pretty obviously anchored on a progressive/politically moderate worldview. What I like, a few previous controversies at the NYT aside, is how their reporters and columnists are able to understand that they have certain assumptions and worldviews. Then these things are either articulated and/or even occasionally tested as necessary, unlike the boring conservative media which simply takes all their worldviews as fundamentally correct and beyond reproach.

 

I have a twin worry when it comes to paywalls. I don't like the idea of people of less means or those who are simply unwilling to subscribe being completely locked out or substantially, as I ultimately don't think this does anything good for democracy and also in terms of ensuring a diversity of views in these publications. But there are increasingly worrying trends suggesting that this is exactly what's happening. The likes of CNN, Sky News and Fawx etc will always be free/substantially free, as they leverage off their pay-TV operations. But I find these sites' (Fawx just isn't worth discussing) coverage to mostly just be a grab-bag of details, with little to no analysis.

 

 

 

 




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  Reply # 1595073 19-Jul-2016 14:55
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics-live/liveblog/republican-national-convention-updates/#3f7cbc47-358b-4cb6-bc2e-5186906bc2a7

 

 

 

This kind of coverage (and the sort of verifiable and valuable fact-checking of sensational claims by political candidates) just reminds me of the vast gulf between the quality of our journalism and what is available overseas.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1595334 19-Jul-2016 22:08
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Myself - subscribe to NBR and Geekzone. And will now consider subscribing to New Scientist as well due to the above mention. NBR sometimes offer free trial options. That was what first got me reading the NBR. Fairfax / nzme would have to offer a really cheap subscription for me to bother with them.

Another worry about pay walls. Will under 18 year olds be able to subscribe? (Can you get a debit card if you are under 18?) Otherwise it will end up like the early days of legal online music. No way to pay without a credit card. As it will only be a matter of time before print newspapers dissappear.





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  Reply # 1595361 19-Jul-2016 23:13
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I had my ASB Visa Debit card when I was 13! If you're between 13-15 you require parent's signature to sign up.





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  Reply # 1595362 19-Jul-2016 23:20
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Holy Moly the NBR subscription is freaking expensive. Is there a workaround to allow the smartphone version to be usable on a PC?

 

 


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  Reply # 1595473 20-Jul-2016 09:42
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networkn:

 

Is there a workaround to allow the smartphone version to be usable on a PC?

 

 

Works via web browser (log in to NBR site).





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  Reply # 1595595 20-Jul-2016 12:51
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Somewhat connected to this thread....

 

In the land of the free news sites, what do people recommend for good coverage? Niche stuff is also most welcome. I personally have been very impressed with the Spinoff lately. And Radio NZ's coverage remains amazing as always.

 

 

 

 


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