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# 202012 13-Sep-2016 18:20
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I would've though this would be discrimination under the Human Rights Act? Does anyone have any insight on this, I've seen a bar in Auckland CBD that's R21 got me wondering...


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  # 1628801 13-Sep-2016 18:24
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well if they can turn you away for having the wrong shoes.... use to piss me off all the time, when I was wearing chucks or something.




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  # 1628802 13-Sep-2016 18:26
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well if they can turn you away for having the wrong shoes.... use to piss me off all the time, when I was wearing chucks or something.

 

 

HAH! Fair point, but that's not one of the "grounds of discrimination" defined in the act (maybe discrimination by shoes should be though, eh?).


 
 
 
 


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  # 1628820 13-Sep-2016 19:00
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Check the Human Rights Commission website or give HRC a call

 

 

 

https://www.hrc.co.nz/





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  # 1628831 13-Sep-2016 19:27
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Casinos are 21



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  # 1628838 13-Sep-2016 19:37
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plod: Casinos are 21

 

 

 

They're R20, and that's because of legislation, like selling alcohol.


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  # 1628849 13-Sep-2016 19:56
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There could be cases for discrimination. However there are also rules around private property. You can refuse people access etc. 

 

Best to seek legal advice if its important. 


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  # 1628942 13-Sep-2016 21:30
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IANAL but. 

 

It's probably a technical breach of HRA, but one you're unlikely to succeed in overturning. Numerous bars have had R21 (or even R25) policies in place for years, and not once that I'm aware of his it ended up being litigated as a HRA violation. Probably because even if it is a technical breach, it's one that is generally supported by the police. 





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  # 1628946 13-Sep-2016 21:36
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Lias:

 

IANAL but. 

 

It's probably a technical breach of HRA, but one you're unlikely to succeed in overturning. Numerous bars have had R21 (or even R25) policies in place for years, and not once that I'm aware of his it ended up being litigated as a HRA violation. Probably because even if it is a technical breach, it's one that is generally supported by the police. 

 

 

Extension of R.O.A R? 


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  # 1629036 14-Sep-2016 05:32
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Talking about human rights is super excessive. Why would you want to drink somewhere they don't want you? It's probably because 18 - 20 year old kids deter the clientele they want to attract.

 

Drink somewhere else. 


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  # 1629037 14-Sep-2016 05:59
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Seems like the same sort of discrimination when the Café owner banned spandex bike pants...


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  # 1629038 14-Sep-2016 07:17
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timmmay:

 

Talking about human rights is super excessive. Why would you want to drink somewhere they don't want you? It's probably because 18 - 20 year old kids deter the clientele they want to attract.

 

Drink somewhere else. 

 

 

 

 

Couldn't have put this better myself. 1000000000000% agree!

 

I'd 100% support any organisation attempting to limit the distribution of behaviour altering substances to anyone of ANY age whenever they see fit.

 

 


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  # 1629074 14-Sep-2016 09:09
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 I don't see an issue with it myself.  Im with timmmay.

 

What bar was it ?

 

 





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  # 1629082 14-Sep-2016 09:21
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Technically it's illegal to discriminate on age for a retail/business premises.

 

There is an exception for 'clubs' - this allows for example single sex gyms, senior citizens clubs etc.





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  # 1629106 14-Sep-2016 09:53
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timmmay:

 

Talking about human rights is super excessive. Why would you want to drink somewhere they don't want you? It's probably because 18 - 20 year old kids deter the clientele they want to attract.

 

Drink somewhere else. 

 

 

 

 

It's about the bar's atmosphere that dictates behaviour and clientele of the bar. If you offer cheap drinks and have "younger"/"pop" themes, younger people will come. if you make things more expensive and theme it around a more classic style bar then older people will come.

 

Illegally discriminating seems "super excessive".


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  # 1630266 14-Sep-2016 14:24
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timmmay:

 

Talking about human rights is super excessive. Why would you want to drink somewhere they don't want you? It's probably because 18 - 20 year old kids deter the clientele they want to attract.

 

Drink somewhere else. 

 

 

Or maybe because they're sick of the 18-20 year old kids moaning every time Barry Manilow comes on the sound system?

 

 


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