The only affordable housing for Christmas :-) in Auckland nowadays ...

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#204387 29-Sep-2016 12:20

Lady (do not know them in person) published the add in the RU NZ FB Group of her cooking classes. She uploaded the photo of the house she'd made from cookies.

I found that quite amasing - a lot of patience required. And probably the only affordable "housing" in Auckland nowadays :-(

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#1642617 29-Sep-2016 13:53

Where can I buy one? :-)

I've found affordable housing. It just needs land to put it on.

www.ecotechhomes.co.nz

I've been to their show home. Very impressive.

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#1643984 1-Oct-2016 22:24

Problem is that land is expensive. And subdivision costs are also expensive. Also minimum section sizes mean that "tiny" houses don't really solve any problems. As you would need to apply for a resource consent to subdivide off a 20m2 section. Just to build a 10m2 tiny house. And you still have to go through the usual consent process to put a tiny house on an existing section. So no shortcuts there.

High building costs are just a symptom of the current planning rules. As people have to build complex house designs to fit within the height to boundary rules.

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#1644074 2-Oct-2016 10:56

You could always go to Australia, 4 bed, brick and tile, 1099msq $469,000. Around Newcastle, NSW.

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#1644134 2-Oct-2016 13:30

Yep, too true unfortunately. I have come to the conclusion that unless I get a 50% salary increase or there is a massive market crash, I am not going to be buying a house in Auckland. Just keeping up with rent takes up an alarming part of my salary each month.

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#1644190 2-Oct-2016 15:27

I have a friend who works for a particularly successful and very well known house company here in Auckland. And told me that contractors are getting greedier and wanting more and more money, but only in Auckland. As they know they can keep putting up the their prices and get away with it. If this company doesn't pay, they lose workers.
Intereresting to see when it all comes tumbling down, contractors are the first to cry.

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#1644293 2-Oct-2016 17:51

This is an effect of demand and supply. Same reason that house prices are rising. Everything in the sector tends to increase in price also. Some materials also no doubt.

You might as well say sellers of houses are greedy and they are the first to complain in a downturn. Same thing really ; ).

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#1645532 5-Oct-2016 00:33

enzedone: I have a friend who works for a particularly successful and very well known house company here in Auckland. And told me that contractors are getting greedier and wanting more and more money, but only in Auckland. As they know they can keep putting up the their prices and get away with it. If this company doesn't pay, they lose workers.
Intereresting to see when it all comes tumbling down, contractors are the first to cry.

Contractors are normally the first to cry as they are normally the ones who get forced to wear the biggest losses. As they have purchased materials for the job, so still have to pay their suppliers and employees despite not getting paid themselves.There have been cases of material suppliers themselves going bankrupt. Due to their customers going bankrupt or getting into financial difficulty.

And until recently liquidators had the power to recall all payments made by a company while it was insolvent. And they were allowed to go back up to 2 years. Which meant that even when you did get paid. The funds were not 100% cleared until 2 years later. Thankfully the Supreme court ruled against being able to do that.

Also whenever there is a downturn, the number of contractors shrinks due to lack of work. So of course whenever there is a boom, there is always a shortage. Then add in contractors doing leaky building repairs and Meth house decontaminations. Who could instead be doing new building work. The government could help alot by scheduling most of their new building work and renovations during recessions.

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#1645591 5-Oct-2016 07:36

gzt: This is an effect of demand and supply. Same reason that house prices are rising. Everything in the sector tends to increase in price also. Some materials also no doubt.

You might as well say sellers of houses are greedy and they are the first to complain in a downturn. Same thing really ; ).

Yep, gravy train mentality

I see now that Welly is taking over from AKL as the housing increase capital. So, has the demand suddenly spoiled or is everyone in the party taking a bigger cut? Grab it while you can?

Cost+Margin+greed factor=todays price.

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#1645768 5-Oct-2016 11:10

I live in a very nice area of Auckland, extremely low crime. Fantastic amenities, great schools, great sport facilities. Friendly people, who always say hello. Great safe environment for kids to grow up in and enjoy, with beaches, cycle ways, parks.
But this comes at a cost, as we are not rich, and will never be. We were lucky to move into this area prior to the boom of 2001-2006. We have realised that we will never be able to retire here, so have started looking outside of Auckland for alternative solutions.
Unfortunately, living in an area like this tends to spoil you, no its not snobbery, it's just becoming accustom to living at a certian standard. So when we started looking outside Auckland it became apparent very quickly that other regions just simply didn't have what we wanted. Oh but they will shout from the roof tops about their 'world famous' (in NZ ) cycle way or walking track, or whatever. But I'm very sorry other regions seriously lack infrastructure and/or opertunities. But I must give credit to families who have made the jump' and found somewhere to live and be happy. But so far we haven't. I'm not removing my family from all that they/we have without good reason to. So we keep looking and hoping that we can make that leap of faith.
Fear seems to be a major factor in some families reluctance to leave, as they are so scared that there will be no returning once left this insane market (pending the big collapse). And yes that has crossed my mind, but is not a game breaker. The fact of mater is Auckland is just a really great city to live in(well some parts are at least) with access to so much within a reasonable distance. People just want in' they want to be a part of it. Unfortunately it is just leaving the rest of the countries 'towns' (sorry but that's all they are) further behind. The demand just keeps growing, gathering pace. Look at the disaster that has very unfornately happened in Christchurch, wich I told friends would be a 50 year rebuild. I got laughed at. Why are companies like Hornecastle making a killing up here when they from Christchurch.
It's happening all around the world, people are migrating into the cities. They are getting bigger and bigger, leaving rural towns in their wake. There will always be people who choose not to be a part of this global phenomenon (I hope to be one of them) but I'm sorry to the rest of NZ but it's not going to stop. And Auckland already has 1 third of the population, but that's nothing folks. Come back in 25 years time, good grief.
When you have access to good schools/universities, beaches, shops, jobs, oppertunies the people will come.
There are many downsides of course to all this, roading and public transport ( ah um, caugh, bring back Robbie) are two easy to see problems. But boy the regions have a lot of work to do.
Price will dictate people's decision whether to stay or go more than anything, I'm not at that point yet. But if I had to sell due to financial reasons and were forced to make a move, boy I really wouldn't know where to go, not yet anyway.
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#1645885 5-Oct-2016 13:15

That affordable house looks very Grimm, there could be serious issues negotiating with the owner. Before inspection, I'd be checking the list of chattels, to see if a wood-burning oven and metal cage are listed.

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#1645979 5-Oct-2016 15:18

Fred99:

That affordable house looks very Grimm, there could be serious issues negotiating with the owner. Before inspection, I'd be checking the list of chattels, to see if a wood-burning oven and metal cage are listed.

Too late. One of the friends asked if it is still there. I've asked the owner. It's gone already ... Houses are selling too fast nowadays :-)

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#1647479 7-Oct-2016 21:08

Actually the more I look,the more attractive Tasmania becomes.

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#1647508 7-Oct-2016 22:19

enzedone: Actually the more I look,the more attractive Tasmania becomes.

What? You want to move there so you can marry your cousin?

On a more serious note, property prices in nice parts of Hobart aren't cheap. Probably being boosted by people from Sydney/Melbourne who're thinking what you're thinking (not the cousin bit).

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#1647575 8-Oct-2016 07:09

You'd be shocked at how many kiwi are moving there.

Fortunately for us, Australians still see it as the 'poor state'

And you never pack up and leave when things turn bad here, as many kiwi seem to do. Always go when things are good and your money buys more.

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#1647582 8-Oct-2016 07:41

enzedone:
I live in a very nice area of Auckland, extremely low crime. Fantastic amenities, great schools, great sport facilities. Friendly people, who always say hello. Great safe environment for kids to grow up in and enjoy, with beaches, cycle ways, parks.
But this comes at a cost, as we are not rich, and will never be. We were lucky to move into this area prior to the boom of 2001-2006. We have realised that we will never be able to retire here, so have started looking outside of Auckland for alternative solutions.
Unfortunately, living in an area like this tends to spoil you, no its not snobbery, it's just becoming accustom to living at a certian standard. So when we started looking outside Auckland it became apparent very quickly that other regions just simply didn't have what we wanted. Oh but they will shout from the roof tops about their 'world famous' (in NZ ) cycle way or walking track, or whatever. But I'm very sorry other regions seriously lack infrastructure and/or opertunities. But I must give credit to families who have made the jump' and found somewhere to live and be happy. But so far we haven't. I'm not removing my family from all that they/we have without good reason to. So we keep looking and hoping that we can make that leap of faith.
Fear seems to be a major factor in some families reluctance to leave, as they are so scared that there will be no returning once left this insane market (pending the big collapse). And yes that has crossed my mind, but is not a game breaker. The fact of mater is Auckland is just a really great city to live in(well some parts are at least) with access to so much within a reasonable distance. People just want in' they want to be a part of it. Unfortunately it is just leaving the rest of the countries 'towns' (sorry but that's all they are) further behind. The demand just keeps growing, gathering pace. Look at the disaster that has very unfornately happened in Christchurch, wich I told friends would be a 50 year rebuild. I got laughed at. Why are companies like Hornecastle making a killing up here when they from Christchurch.
It's happening all around the world, people are migrating into the cities. They are getting bigger and bigger, leaving rural towns in their wake. There will always be people who choose not to be a part of this global phenomenon (I hope to be one of them) but I'm sorry to the rest of NZ but it's not going to stop. And Auckland already has 1 third of the population, but that's nothing folks. Come back in 25 years time, good grief.
When you have access to good schools/universities, beaches, shops, jobs, oppertunies the people will come.
There are many downsides of course to all this, roading and public transport ( ah um, caugh, bring back Robbie) are two easy to see problems. But boy the regions have a lot of work to do.
Price will dictate people's decision whether to stay or go more than anything, I'm not at that point yet. But if I had to sell due to financial reasons and were forced to make a move, boy I really wouldn't know where to go, not yet anyway.
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Your already there, at a price paid pre 2001, why can't you retire there? As my sister says, the forever house.

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