The only real way Prince Andrew can clear his name is with a court victory

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#293329 13-Jan-2022 22:41

If he was unable to sweat before I bet you he sure is hell now with his last chance being struck out.

I have my own opinion of him and what I think but it stays with me. A court will decide if he takes it that far.

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#2850401 14-Jan-2022 08:48

I have my doubts this will go to court. His legal teams effort to try and get it thrown out on a technicality to me screams volumes. I see the Queen has stripped him from his royal titles so has already tried to distance the monarchy from whatever fallout there may be.

Out of court settlement with no admission of guilt is the only way this goes away semi-quietly (and look for publications about Charles, Wills or Harry to be used to distract media attention away from Andrew after the settlement).

So long as they don't agree to meet in Paris with a chauffer driven Mercedes

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#2850425 14-Jan-2022 09:25

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I have my doubts this will go to court. His legal teams effort to try and get it thrown out on a technicality to me screams volumes. I see the Queen has stripped him from his royal titles so has already tried to distance the monarchy from whatever fallout there may be.

Out of court settlement with no admission of guilt is the only way this goes away semi-quietly (and look for publications about Charles, Wills or Harry to be used to distract media attention away from Andrew after the settlement).

So long as they don't agree to meet in Paris with a chauffer driven Mercedes

Its up to Giuffrie if she doe's not want to settle he only has two options go to court or ignore it and have it ruled as guilty.

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#2850481 14-Jan-2022 09:48

I don't pretend to know anything about the facts of the case. But, if Andrew gets in front of a jury he will lose. He has already been tried and convicted by media and The Queen. An actual trial, especially a civil one, would be a mere formality.

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#2850538 14-Jan-2022 10:02

MikeAqua:

I don't pretend to know anything about the facts of the case. But, if Andrew gets in front of a jury he will lose. He has already been tried and convicted by media and The Queen. An actual trial, especially a civil one, would be a mere formality.

In a civil trial, he's much less likely to be in front of a jury. Just a judge, who will do their professional level best to ignore everything in the media.

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#2850550 14-Jan-2022 10:40

I think the fact he has been stripped of his royal and military titles speaks volumes about how much confidence the Palace has in his case. They will presumably have more information than what has been reported so far in the media. Also a few weeks back it was reported they weren't going to fund his defence and potential penalties/settlements from the royal coffers. This has led to him selling a reported $34million Euro Chalet in Switzerland. I think that once his legal team has exhausted all avenues to get this thrown out without a trial there will be a settlement with confidential terms but no admission of guilt.

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#2850555 14-Jan-2022 10:57

My opinion is because of this saga and other royal dramas that Queen Elizabeth passes we should dump the monarch as our head of state and go it alone with our own constitution for Aotearoa.

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#2850590 14-Jan-2022 11:22

MikeB4: My opinion is because of this saga and other royal dramas that Queen Elizabeth passes we should dump the monarch as our head of state and go it alone with our own constitution for Aotearoa.

We seem to lack the maturity to talk frankly about our current constitutional framework and the awkward bits of history that do/don't fit in with what we perceive it to be.

I'm not saying 'it would be hard' is a good reason to not do it, just that there's going to be some incredibly strong and inflamed feelings and having a sensible debate about what status we give various bits of existing constitutional framework in any new constitution would be a very difficult conversation to have without it deteriorating into outright racism and unhelpful generalisations. That sort of thing will probably take decades to do properly.

Plus the younger royals who actually in line for the throne seem to be hugely popular so there's that too.

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#2850640 14-Jan-2022 11:26

Did he jump or was he pushed? AFAIK he was able to get in 1st and give them up. One of the honorary titles was "colonel-in-chief of the Royal New Zealand Army Logistic Regiment". Maybe it's appropriate that he's still a Vice Admiral.

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#2850643 14-Jan-2022 11:30

I am sick of women who wait a number of years then lodge a complaint against men for some perceived trauma, usually with famous men that have money. If Andrew was a supermarket stacker, I bet she wouldn’t be so traumatised about it all and would probably have forgotten the episode which I imagine was one of many considering the salubrious company she kept and the money that was pouring into her lap. She was 17, hardly a minor in these loose times and was there of her own free will amongst other players...for money and fun.

I would understand a serious complaint at the time it happened if he beat or hurt her. Seems his main crime is that he was attracted to a woman and sweated profusely while doing what man was designed for.

Feel sorry for his widowed mother having this drama at 95.

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#2850644 14-Jan-2022 11:31

Andrew has always seemed pretty sleazy. He's on a hiding to nothing though in a court case where it's he said/she said.

I don't mind dispensing with the monarchy but I doubt there's any politician from the major parties who wants to get into developing a new constitution. What a minefield that would be.

The one big benefit of a monarchy is you don't elect the head of state. Electing a president or whatever seems to lead to a really lousy outcome in a lot of countries.

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#2850650 14-Jan-2022 11:41

I bet when he went to Epstein island this wasn't the sort of stripping he expected to come from it

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#2850661 14-Jan-2022 12:10

Eva888: I am sick of women who wait a number of years then lodge a complaint against men for some perceived trauma, usually with famous men that have money. If Andrew was a supermarket stacker, I bet she wouldn’t be so traumatised about it all and would probably have forgotten the episode which I imagine was one of many considering the salubrious company she kept and the money that was pouring into her lap. She was 17, hardly a minor in these loose times and was there of her own free will amongst other players...for money and fun.

I would understand a serious complaint at the time it happened if he beat or hurt her. Seems his main crime is that he was attracted to a woman and sweated profusely while doing what man was designed for.

Feel sorry for his widowed mother having this drama at 95.

She isnt one of them , you really need to watch Filthy Rich to see what happened to all these young girls and she has set up a non profit organisation Victims Refuse Silence to help woman like her , she isnt in it for the money she wants the victims to have a voice and to tell there stories

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#2850664 14-Jan-2022 12:12

Eva888: I am sick of women who wait a number of years then lodge a complaint against men for some perceived trauma, usually with famous men that have money. If Andrew was a supermarket stacker, I bet she wouldn’t be so traumatised about it all and would probably have forgotten the episode which I imagine was one of many considering the salubrious company she kept and the money that was pouring into her lap. She was 17, hardly a minor in these loose times and was there of her own free will amongst other players...for money and fun.

I would understand a serious complaint at the time it happened if he beat or hurt her. Seems his main crime is that he was attracted to a woman and sweated profusely while doing what man was designed for.

Feel sorry for his widowed mother having this drama at 95.

The way women are vilified and victim attacked I don't blame them for being reluctant to come forward. Changes recently have made it a little safer for for women and men to come forward but it takes a large stack of bravery to do so. The generally accepted age of majority is 18, 17 is a minor.

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#2850666 14-Jan-2022 12:15

GV27:

We seem to lack the maturity to talk frankly about our current constitutional framework and the awkward bits of history that do/don't fit in with what we perceive it to be.

I'm not saying 'it would be hard' is a good reason to not do it, just that there's going to be some incredibly strong and inflamed feelings and having a sensible debate about what status we give various bits of existing constitutional framework in any new constitution would be a very difficult conversation to have without it deteriorating into outright racism and unhelpful generalisations. That sort of thing will probably take decades to do properly.

Plus the younger royals who actually in line for the throne seem to be hugely popular so there's that too.

We have a collection of constitutional documents and statutes that can be combined into a constitution.

Edit; although I opened this pandoras box I feel that this should be taken up in a seperate thread.

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#2850684 14-Jan-2022 12:40

Eva888: I am sick of women who wait a number of years then lodge a complaint against men for some perceived trauma, usually with famous men that have money. If Andrew was a supermarket stacker, I bet she wouldn’t be so traumatised about it all and would probably have forgotten the episode which I imagine was one of many considering the salubrious company she kept and the money that was pouring into her lap. She was 17, hardly a minor in these loose times and was there of her own free will amongst other players...for money and fun.

I would understand a serious complaint at the time it happened if he beat or hurt her. Seems his main crime is that he was attracted to a woman and sweated profusely while doing what man was designed for.

Feel sorry for his widowed mother having this drama at 95.

Don't know where to start with replying to what some may say is a reductionist misogynistic pile of merde, but I'd say my favourite line amongst so many would have to be "... while doing what man was designed for". Just wow...

Disappointing but not surprising to see these attitudes still exist in 2022.

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