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hsvhel

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#305959 16-Jun-2023 20:27
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Hey all

 

Is ripple control still a thing?

 

 





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  #3090860 16-Jun-2023 20:54
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In many areas, yes. Not sure if they're still using it for all new subdivisions, but sure it still exists.




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  #3091429 18-Jun-2023 14:32
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I understand that you can get it disabled if it annoys you, but you will pay more for power. I know several people who had it disabled a couple of years ago, after very aggressive "rippling" for a month or so, a couple of years back, kept leaving them with tepid water.

 

(Personally, I'm on gas hotwater, so I don't have that issue).




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  #3094541 24-Jun-2023 20:22
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JimmyH:

 

I understand that you can get it disabled if it annoys you, but you will pay more for power. I know several people who had it disabled a couple of years ago, after very aggressive "rippling" for a month or so, a couple of years back, kept leaving them with tepid water.

 

(Personally, I'm on gas hotwater, so I don't have that issue).

 

 

I would quite like to use it, oddly, my current provider EK, won't tell me if their plan is accounting for it....

 

But Vector refer me back to my provider when approached directly.

 

After checking periodically at the meter, on peak/off peak, the relay is engaged to supply power.

 

understand this is subject to the ripple being used, and that at "peak" it may not be required for a balanced supply...

 

but at some point in a month long check, statistically i should see it controlled?!?





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  #3094554 24-Jun-2023 21:05
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If your hot water cylinder is big enough it won't be a problem.

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  #3094559 24-Jun-2023 21:26
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larknz: If your hot water cylinder is big enough it won't be a problem.

 

That's not what I am really concerned about, more that if it is enabled, at what point service is regained on average to see if consumption resumes at what my retailer considers peak/shoulder/night





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  #3094561 24-Jun-2023 21:37
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If they are cutting on peak load there are restrictions on hour many minutes they can cut in a day. Vector will be doing the cutting, not your retailer.

 
 
 

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  #3094572 24-Jun-2023 22:19
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There's two ways for it to be done: either the actual ripple control switches the load, through a ripple relay, or an auxiliary relay in the smart meter switches the load. You can generally tell by looking if there's a ripple relay in the meterbox - it's a big black or grey thing with on/off legends and an indicator.

 

If it's a ripple relay, only Vector can control it; it has nothing to do with your retailer. You're lumped into one of about a dozen groups they can switch on or off. This is done by loading, not just peak/off-peak, so on days with generally lower national/regional consumption, the ripple signal will likely stay on 24/7.

 

An aux relay in the smart meter can be controlled by the retailer I think, but there's few of those in the wild I believe.

 

 

 

Ripple relays aren't really intended to save you money by shifting your consumption - you need a time switch or some smarts for that. They're there so the lines company can shed load when their network is near capacity.


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  #3094578 24-Jun-2023 22:45
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hsvhel:

 

JimmyH:

 

I understand that you can get it disabled if it annoys you, but you will pay more for power. I know several people who had it disabled a couple of years ago, after very aggressive "rippling" for a month or so, a couple of years back, kept leaving them with tepid water.

 

(Personally, I'm on gas hotwater, so I don't have that issue).

 

 

I would quite like to use it, oddly, my current provider EK, won't tell me if their plan is accounting for it....

 

But Vector refer me back to my provider when approached directly.

 

After checking periodically at the meter, on peak/off peak, the relay is engaged to supply power.

 

understand this is subject to the ripple being used, and that at "peak" it may not be required for a balanced supply...

 

but at some point in a month long check, statistically i should see it controlled?!?

 

 

Are you sure you have a ripple relay? In many parts of Auckland they used a pilot wire system, and I believe the pilot relays now stay switched on all the time due to the unreliability of that system.


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  #3094716 25-Jun-2023 14:51
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Yeah, I have a ripple relay
Not interested in cost savings
Was mostly interested in if they are still used for shedding as in OG days power was inclusive or controlled
Now we have 3-4tiers + on times and varied pricing associated
This by design could influence your consumption at a time where your personal provider may have an increased pricing or penalty





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