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alisam

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#317909 26-Nov-2024 14:47

Here are their guidelines: NZ Herald comments: The stories open for discussion today - NZ Herald

I say, why should a reporter/commentator have free reign to say what they want, and the reader has no chance to make any comment (in agreement or not)?

I'm sure some will argue that you don't have to read the article in the first place. Yes, some article headlines are written to be controversial. But if that is the case, why not accept an agreeing or opposing view?

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#3313073 26-Nov-2024 15:12

Because the majority of NZ media prefer to guide the public's opinion rather than reporting facts. Unlike for example, the BBC, there is no requirement for 'balance'. It's not a good look to have thousands of comments conflicting with the narrative put forward in the article.

This thread has a high likelihood of going off track, so I'll leave it at that.

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#3313075 26-Nov-2024 15:24

Stuff are very similar and whilst I can understand their moderation team wanting to check for profanity and offensive comments, most often, comments that are made on articles where comments are allowed, don't make it to the comments section.

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#3313077 26-Nov-2024 15:39

Gee, that's a shame. I am devastated to be missing out on reading 'comments' from NZME's pea-brained audience.

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#3313108 26-Nov-2024 16:21

gbwelly:

Unlike for example, the BBC, there is no requirement for 'balance'.

The BBC hasn't typically been good at this either. E.g. giving equal airtime to both the scientific theory which 99.7% of scientists support and to alternate theories which have only loony fringe support.

My referral links: BigPipe | Mercury

alisam

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#3315525 3-Dec-2024 16:02

It's a pity this NZ Herald article hasn't been opened for Comments.

CEO pay: Highest-paid public sector bosses - NZ Herald

It would be interesting to see the ratio of people who agree they are fair for the job being done and those who think the exact opposite.

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#3315527 3-Dec-2024 16:27

alisam:

It would be interesting to see the ratio of people who agree they are fair for the job being done and those who think the exact opposite.

Why would it be interesting?

They'd all be people who don't understand the role of a CEO, what they need to do, the risks they take etc.

I'm not making the argument what a CEO is paid is, or isn't, fair. I'm making the argument that Felicity, who's groomed Poodles all her life and has never left the small town she was born and raised in, isn't in the best position either to know what a CEO should or shouldn't be paid. But she'll be the loudest commenter on there, having zero context for the role a CEO does, the risks they take, how every decision they make could affect the lives of all those under their employ etc.

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#3315536 3-Dec-2024 16:45

muppet:

Why would it be interesting?

They'd all be people who don't understand the role of a CEO, what they need to do, the risks they take etc.

I'm not making the argument what a CEO is paid is, or isn't, fair. I'm making the argument that Felicity, who's groomed Poodles all her life and has never left the small town she was born and raised in, isn't in the best position either to know what a CEO should or shouldn't be paid. But she'll be the loudest commenter on there, having zero context for the role a CEO does, the risks they take, how every decision they make could affect the lives of all those under their employ etc.

But think of the engagement! That is all that matters to get the ad impressions as people share the links to the stupid comments and go and add their own.

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alisam

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#3315541 3-Dec-2024 16:55

The point of the topic is that NZ Herald only open up a very small number of their articles to make a Comment.

I do read some of the comments on the UK Daily Mail web site and whilst I don't necessarily agree with some, the general public has had a say. People from all around the world (including NZ and Australia) can put forward good/poor/objectionable arguments for an article.

The Daily Mail is generous on who can make comments.

For the NZ Herald 'Every day, Herald Premium subscribers have the opportunity to log in and comment on stories we have opened for discussion'.

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#3315548 3-Dec-2024 17:08

gbwelly:

Because the majority of NZ media prefer to guide the public's opinion rather than reporting facts. Unlike for example, the BBC, there is no requirement for 'balance'.

This is incorrect. Both the press council and broadcasting standards authority require reporting to be balanced.

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#3315549 3-Dec-2024 17:11

alisam:

The point of the topic is that NZ Herald only open up a very small number of their articles to make a Comment.

I do read some of the comments on the UK Daily Mail web site and whilst I don't necessarily agree with some, the general public has had a say. People from all around the world (including NZ and Australia) can put forward good/poor/objectionable arguments for an article.

The Daily Mail is generous on who can make comments.

For the NZ Herald 'Every day, Herald Premium subscribers have the opportunity to log in and comment on stories we have opened for discussion'.

The Daily Mail is a rage rag. It needs stupid comments from stupid people to survive.

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#3315639 3-Dec-2024 20:06

gbwelly:

Because the majority of NZ media prefer to guide the public's opinion rather than reporting facts. Unlike for example, the BBC, there is no requirement for 'balance'. It's not a good look to have thousands of comments conflicting with the narrative put forward in the article.

For some reason, this reminds me of a comment former President Clinton (apparently) made in 1993, after being interrupted by AIDS protesters during a speech in Philadelphia, he said: "Let me tell you something—Wait a minute. You know one thing that's wrong with this country? Everybody gets a chance to have their fair say."

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#3315769 3-Dec-2024 23:51

Content moderation is extremely difficult

Without a community user based moderation system like stackoverflow, discord, reddit etc they will have to have people assigned to manually moderate comments that don't comply with their guidelines, more topics more staff/work required.