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#72711 1-Dec-2010 18:51

An advisor to the Canadian PM says Wikileak's Assange should be assassinated and Obama should put a price on his head:

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#411714 1-Dec-2010 19:28

Did you get that from Wikileaks too.......

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#411792 1-Dec-2010 21:48

Flanagan couches it as humour to start with but then cements his position at the end by saying "I wouldn't feel unhappy if Assange disappeared." He should have been asked to explain exactly what it is he thinks seperates his ideology from any other totalitarian society.

I see his points about the damage to international relations, but the call he makes is fairly extreme! As for Assange, while I agree with the rights we hold inherent for the freedom of speech, I think they also need to be balanced with responsibility for what is being said.

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#411794 1-Dec-2010 21:51

Go Julian, go my good man!

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#412017 2-Dec-2010 11:31

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#412019 2-Dec-2010 11:34

freitasm: An advisor to the Canadian PM says Wikileak's Assange should be assassinated and Obama should put a price on his head:

What for?

Telling the truth?

Canadian conservatives are almost as insane as the American flavour.

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#412028 2-Dec-2010 11:53

Bloody hell some news out of Canada ...................A!

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#412033 2-Dec-2010 12:00

Linuxluver:
freitasm: An advisor to the Canadian PM says Wikileak's Assange should be assassinated and Obama should put a price on his head:

What for?

Telling the truth?

Canadian conservatives are almost as insane as the American flavour.

It may be the truth, but that doesnt make it right to leak it to the world. A lot of these last leaks seem to have no real public value other then to be a pain in the butt.

Example - telling everyone what China and the US say about North Korea behind closed doors. How is this helping the world? it seems to me that China was in agreement with the US on many things but just had to be carefull with how they dealt with North Korea. These leaks may affect that relationship which is the only "good" relationship that the north has with the outside world. This could, in the current Korean climate, cause war. Yeah go Assange, what a guy.

Sorry but governments need to be able to keep somethings to themselves.

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#412037 2-Dec-2010 12:09

timmyh: Go Julian, go my good man!

He's a psychopath, he calmly dismisses the death of 1300 people who died as the result of one of his leaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/01/julian-assange-wikileaks-afghanistan

<quote> he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".
The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased." </quote>

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#412061 2-Dec-2010 13:15

wellygary:
timmyh: Go Julian, go my good man!

He's a psychopath, he calmly dismisses the death of 1300 people who died as the result of one of his leaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/01/julian-assange-wikileaks-afghanistan

he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".
The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased."

This is faulty logic.

Assange and Wikileaks kill no one. Not a single person.

Their leaks may well saves lives.....but they can't be blamed for the actions of others.

If others decide to go and kill someone then it is they who have done the killing.

I say this because US leaders and others have been only TOO happy to held their own troops and civilians "hostage" in order to keep their dirty secrets.

Sorry....I refuse to buy this line. The people who killed the 1,300 are to blame...and no one else.

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#412105 2-Dec-2010 14:26

wellygary:
timmyh: Go Julian, go my good man!

He's a psychopath, he calmly dismisses the death of 1300 people who died as the result of one of his leaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/01/julian-assange-wikileaks-afghanistan

he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".
The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased."

Oh that's rubbish. I lived in Kenya when Moi was in charge, everybody knew he was extremely corrupt, everyone was on the take from the postman to the policeman right up to the president.

People dieing of Malaria is because DDT was banned. Not because it was proven to ever do anything bad, just that it is persistent and long lasting. Malaria was almost wiped out just before DDT was withdrawn. This was all driven from the West.

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#412857 4-Dec-2010 19:04

wellygary:
timmyh: Go Julian, go my good man!

He's a psychopath, he calmly dismisses the death of 1300 people who died as the result of one of his leaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/01/julian-assange-wikileaks-afghanistan

he tells me the story of the Kenyan 2007 elections when a WikiLeak document "swung the election".
The leak exposed massive corruption by Daniel Arap Moi, and the Kenyan people sat up and took notice. In the ensuing elections, in which corruption became a major issue, violence swept the country. "1,300 people were eventually killed, and 350,000 were displaced. That was a result of our leak," says Assange. It's a chilling statistic, but then he states: "On the other hand, the Kenyan people had a right to that information and 40,000 children a year die of malaria in Kenya. And many more die of money being pulled out of Kenya, and as a result of the Kenyan shilling being debased."

I disagree that he is a psychopath. He believes in what he is doing and has an uncanny resolve. His reaction to the deaths in Kenya are not psychopathic but logical. As he goes on to say "You have to start with the truth. The truth is the only way that we can get anywhere. Because any decision-making that is based upon lies or ignorance can't lead to a good conclusion."

The moral issues surrounding what he does are definitely thorny and arguments can be made for both camps but his idea of transparency carries more weight with me and I hope the rest of the logical world.

If it were you, would you want to prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths by exposing a corrupt leader and have 1300 people slain in the resulting struggle or allow the ruler to keep ruling and oppressing until the death toll has risen to even more horrific levels?

I know that if I were wanting to vote on leaders for our country I would like to understand how they think and the decisions they make under pressure and on difficult moral issues. Many of these issues are discussed in private which makes WikiLeaks an even more valuable resource since our own governments choose to hide this from us.

His ideals may be difficult to understand but I do agree with his axioms and would like to support him in his efforts if I ever get the chance.

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#412865 4-Dec-2010 19:54

linuxluver its far simpler than that. would those 1300 people have been killed if the wikileaks information did not become available? if yes then wikileaks has no involvement but if no then wikileaks and assange indirectly contribute to the deaths of every single one of those 1300 people. This is why intelligence is collected, in order to make decisions, therefore intelligence from wikileaks contributed, maybe even caused the killing of these people. This implicates wikileaks as a source that contributes to killings.

Personally i think it is ironic that Assange releases this information in an effort to raise global awareness about unreported wrongdoings, but by releasing some of this sensitive information Assange is causing, creating and aiding further chaos.

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#412896 4-Dec-2010 22:25

kdc69: linuxluver its far simpler than that. would those 1300 people have been killed if the wikileaks information did not become available? if yes then wikileaks has no involvement but if no then wikileaks and assange indirectly contribute to the deaths of every single one of those 1300 people. This is why intelligence is collected, in order to make decisions, therefore intelligence from wikileaks contributed, maybe even caused the killing of these people. This implicates wikileaks as a source that contributes to killings.

Personally i think it is ironic that Assange releases this information in an effort to raise global awareness about unreported wrongdoings, but by releasing some of this sensitive information Assange is causing, creating and aiding further chaos.

LOL. i hope you joking

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#412911 4-Dec-2010 23:27

kdc69: linuxluver its far simpler than that. would those 1300 people have been killed if the wikileaks information did not become available? if yes then wikileaks has no involvement but if no then wikileaks and assange indirectly contribute to the deaths of every single one of those 1300 people. This is why intelligence is collected, in order to make decisions, therefore intelligence from wikileaks contributed, maybe even caused the killing of these people. This implicates wikileaks as a source that contributes to killings.

Personally i think it is ironic that Assange releases this information in an effort to raise global awareness about unreported wrongdoings, but by releasing some of this sensitive information Assange is causing, creating and aiding further chaos.

There will be no perfect outcomes. It's even *simpler* for me: Wikileaks wants greater transparency where politicians are making life and death decisions for their own citizens and foreigners...and then seeking to not be accountable for them. Ultimately, letting them get away with it is the worst possible outcome. Which 1,300 or 13,000 or 130,000 people were going to die is often dependent on what dumb-ass decision was made by the person in power....and all that fals out of that dumb-ass decision

Like invading iraq in the first place. Obvious to me in 2002 that it was a completely dumb-ass idea.....and would become am expensive, lethal, pointless mess.........

Go Wikileaks. Transparency saves lives....

Again...I won't let the murderers - elected or "terrorists" - hold their victims hostage to enforce the silence of good people.

"My country right or wrong." is often used to justify horrendous decisions and acts.

Change "country" to "family"...and you're the Mafia....and a crime is still a crime.

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#412927 5-Dec-2010 00:33

Obviously wikileaks has a two-fold effect, one being that it does to a certain degree shed light on people in power who have not been held accountable for their actions. I don't agree though with its second fold effect of releasing sensitive information that will cause further chaos. it is completely contradictory to Assange/wikileaks aim, so therefore it is unfair to completely praise wikileaks as they have not fully taken responsibility for the effects they are causing by releasing some of this sensitive information. Again i will stress this is not to say all information released shouldn't be as some of it definitely should, such as the american helicopter gunship killing supposed Iraqi insurgence, when in fact they were journalists.
But i disagree with their irresponsible release of information and cables that give away peoples names and other personal information as these people have not committed or been involved in unlawful acts. This has no benefit for anybody. The recent release of these cables has been completely irresponsible as it has stirred tension, thankfully not much, in some volitle areas. Non of this information is particularly astonishing as a little bit of inside knowlegde and research would indicate, but it is an unhealthy distraction from actual progress.
I think you are muddling clarity in the sense that wikileaks is releasing documents creates clarity? I think it furthers confusion to be honest and this results in more tension thus chaos.
Iraq was obviously one of these bad decisions but i think with time it could become clearer the thought behind that decision.

So yea i think you should not praise wikileaks completely, an open and non biased view will always be more analytical and help in weighing up what is right and wrong. Never trust anything completely, including a website

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