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#98974 9-Mar-2012 23:38

Watch the video, post a link, its not hard, if it works great. Doesnt cost you anything.

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#593056 9-Mar-2012 23:44

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#593074 10-Mar-2012 04:19

I watched the video along with 50 million other viewers and thought it a well put together documentary.
Though the "international branding" of Kony may not hold as much interest as the launch of the new iPad, I applaud those that will further expose the hidden issues of Africa.

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#593084 10-Mar-2012 08:09

I question the usefulness of every man & his dog posting "Kony2012" repeatedly on every YouTube video they can find. I doubt it's going to encourage any further action than is already in progress.

Plus, as always, we're wayyyy over in NZ.

They found Osama, they'll eventually find Kony.

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#593152 10-Mar-2012 11:50

^

Not to mention further investigation has proven invisible children to have, shall we say rather dubious background and friends...

I'm all for ridding the world of people like Kony. But I also include invisible children in the same group.

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#593189 10-Mar-2012 13:09

stevenz: I question the usefulness of every man & his dog posting "Kony2012" repeatedly on every YouTube video they can find. I doubt it's going to encourage any further action than is already in progress.

Plus, as always, we're wayyyy over in NZ.

They found Osama, they'll eventually find Kony.

It is useful to raise awareness, but in this case, the awareness they are raising isn't necessarily based on truth. I would strongly encourage everyone who watched the video to find an alternative source of information on Kony. Much of what is seen in the documentary is misleading.

They are pushing for direct military intervention, which has actually been going on for years without result.

US troops aren't going to ignore the hail of bullets flying out of guns operated by children either. They will be killed rather than returned to their families. Which goes against what this whole movement is about!

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#593314 10-Mar-2012 19:03

I'm uncomfortable about this for several reasons.

The video hardly features Kony, it advocates supplying the Ugandan military (might be advocating direct U.S military intervention as well) and it spends an awful lot of time on the director and his son. Military action last time around stimulated the LRA to cause many additional deaths and suffering.

The charity collected approx nine million last year and pays it's executives very well.

This former LRA child soldier has a balanced view of the campaign and what is missing:

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/03/09/kony-2012-a-view-from-northern-uganda/

Other Ugandan commenters have mentioned there are already 100 U.S military personnel training Ugandan troops for this purpose anyway, that Kony left Uganda in 2006, and the film uses footage from way back then.

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#593353 10-Mar-2012 20:53

Lets take a moment to survey peoples usual reactions to this video: "oh this needs to be stopped", "this should not be happening", "we need to change this". Looks like Uganda is up next for the military "intervention"...

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#593368 10-Mar-2012 21:45

I'll post a link... or a youtube video

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#593373 10-Mar-2012 22:31

We (well maybe not those who read/watch/listen to the crap which is NZ media) have been hearing about the Lord's resistance army for sooo long and know what they do. I don't get why everything changes now?

I mean good on them for trying something like this at the average uneducated/doesn't usually care person can get into but (insert amazing sounding acronym here) "revolutionary" armies exist and share similar tactics all through Africa.

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#594178 12-Mar-2012 15:13

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Can't wait.

Seriously, it is a great vid. It has very high production values and all that.

But, even more seriously, international politics is a very tricky business. What sound like a simple solution 'Stop Joseph Kony' actually translates as:

"The United States should unilaterally invade at least one sovereign nation (we don't actually know where Kony is so looking around will be needed) and assassinate Joseph Kony extra-judicially (without a trial or any of that). Failing that they should provide military assistance to a central African country who has had the same President for 24 years and which Transparency International says is 'very corrupt'."

Can't see that going wrong. Yeah, right.

Joseph Kony is undoubtedly a very bad person but amazingly enough international politics is kind of a complicated business. Hasn't Iraqi, Afghanistan et al taught us this yet? Oh, yeah, and Somalia?

Any international policy positions into which a 10 year old has a major input should probably be re-thought.

Maybe posting a link is the best thing, that way we won't do anything more damaging than that.

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#594236 12-Mar-2012 16:50

But, even more seriously, international politics is a very tricky business. What sound like a simple solution 'Stop Joseph Kony' actually translates as:

"The United States should unilaterally invade at least one sovereign nation (we don't actually know where Kony is so looking around will be needed) and assassinate Joseph Kony extra-judicially (without a trial or any of that). Failing that they should provide military assistance to a central African country who has had the same President for 24 years and which Transparency International says is 'very corrupt'."

Can't see that going wrong. Yeah, right.

Well, it doesn't translate as that at all. It translates to wanting to keep the US trainers and observers in Uganda for the purpose of bringing him to trial in the ICC. Let's not forget that the US are much higher on the TI corruption perception index, and they extra-judicially kill people all the time and subject others to rendition and long-term imprisonment in countries with human rights records just as bad as, if not worse than, Uganda's.

I hope you'll be asking the government to review the supply of NZ aid to PNG based on these principles. After all, they're even more corrupt than Uganda, according to TI.

http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/08/jacob-acaye-child-kony-2012

Honestly, I've never seen more energy put into being apathetic about an issue than I have with the stuff that's come along with Kony2012. Bringing up reports to suggest that Invisible Children is corrupt or "less good" than alternatives because not all donation money goes directly to helping the cause (that nonetheless show that IC has a very good financial record - not much of the money we give to charity actually goes right to the cause anyway, but screw it, we're trying to not care about something here and it couldn't possibly be that administration and fundraising costs are part of the business of charities, could it?), suggesting that Kony only has a few hundred people and isn't in Uganda, and so is irrelevant (by that rationale we should have left Bin Laden alone, then), even right down to shock, horror, the directors pay themselves salaries (about $250,000 between three of them annually, if I recall, which is fairly low for the directors of a non-profit) and they own desks and computer equipment! Add to this some kind of post-colonial guilt theory, and God, why did it have to be AFRICA! WHY ARE YOU PICKING ON AFRICA AGAIN? Probably because most of the murdering warlords responsible for crimes against humanity and who are the main contributors to ongoing instability in the region are in Africa. But screw it. No, it's colonial guilt and interfering.

All of which goes a long way to helping suggest that IC has some kind of mad white privilege agenda on its hands: aside from someone who needs to be caught and brought to trial, and aside from the fact that US observers on the ground in Uganda training troops is infinitely preferable to unobserved Ugandan military, it's ignoring other problems within Uganda. Is it? I bet you've heard more about Uganda's other problems than you would have if this campaign hadn't been around - I bet you now know where it is, for one thing.

And what's this stuff about not wanting people to care about something? The mocking, "Oh, now you're an activist?" stuff that flies about because before the campaign people didn't care? Kony2012 is an idea that has a much better angle than asking people to read New Internationalist or do a PolSci degree. Oh, sorry, have you been lied to? Well, no, you haven't. You watched a persuasive documentary that presented a side, as documentaries are wont to do, and as many widely praised docos do: but that doesn't mean that Joseph Kony hasn't, over 25 years, abducted thousands of children and turned them into soldiers and sexual slaves and that doesn't mean that we shouldn't care about it. Just because a doco presented an angle, that doesn't mean that he's not wanted by the ICC, right at the top of the list, and doesn't mean he hasn't been at large for 25 years.

Sorry, yes. There are other warlords and dictators out there. Shall we get together a list of who's worse and make up a league table? Then we can concentrate all of our efforts on just one warlord at a time. Maybe we could use the list of criminals wanted by the ICC?

It's like all the other problems in the world, isn't it? One at a time. Caring about gender equality? NO. You can't care about gender equality until all of the more important things have been taken care of. THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS.

My honest opinion? BAD MAN. NEEDS TO BE CAUGHT. Many others, and I look forward to many other campaigns to raise awareness of them, especially about the problems Uganda faces in its own government and military, and how US help can go some way to resolving that from a ground-up training perspective. This video did what it had to do to raise awareness. If you're determined to be butthurt and apathetic about issues and look for excuses to maintain that apathy, then all power to you... just go and stand over there with the rest of the bitter, twisted individuals who look at the ground when the collection box gets passed around, muttering "Charity begins at home..."

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#594237 12-Mar-2012 16:51

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/207370.html

How convenient...

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#594479 13-Mar-2012 09:47

There are 100's of warlords over there if they get rid of him he'll be replaced by another. And besides he's been around killing people for decades and all a sudden the world want to do something about it, there is a bigger picture here what the masters of war don't want us to know. Pure propaganda for the UN support, pure BS. That Angelina Jolie is connect to this Kony campaign anything with her taking part in should be crushed. Her propaganda film In the land of blood and honey that's so one sided where the bad guys are the Serbs makes me sick to the bone. I am Croatia and I wasn't hailing her film, the Croatians were just as nasty.

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