What is a 'Business Fibre Area'?

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#171351 14-Apr-2015 22:30

I am checking an address on the Chorus site.

Looks like the property is on the slow side of a broadband speed demarcation line by a few hundred metres (20mbps one side, 5mbps on the other!) but the area is shown as a "Business Fibre Area"; what does that mean?

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#1283320 14-Apr-2015 22:30

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#1283345 14-Apr-2015 22:39

It means you can get Business Fibre :) Which is not priced anything similar to UFB, in case you were wondering.

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#1284444 15-Apr-2015 09:05

Geektastic: I am checking an address on the Chorus site.

Looks like the property is on the slow side of a broadband speed demarcation line by a few hundred metres (20mbps one side, 5mbps on the other!) but the area is shown as a "Business Fibre Area"; what does that mean?

It means you can get fibre if your worth a few million :-)

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#1284489 15-Apr-2015 09:56

It is an area that has duct/fibre previously laid that has capacity to provide (non-UFB) point-to-point fibre connections.

Dedicated capacity (i.e. not GPON) guaranteed CIR services which are targeted at business/corporate users.

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#1284509 15-Apr-2015 10:14

Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

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#1284582 15-Apr-2015 11:00

Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

it just means there is a fibre run somewhere in the area, and that if you wanted to connect to the buisness fibre you could, how far away from the main fibre and at what cost, well only chorus could tell you

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#1284597 15-Apr-2015 11:26

Jase2985:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

it just means there is a fibre run somewhere in the area, and that if you wanted to connect to the buisness fibre you could, how far away from the main fibre and at what cost, well only chorus could tell you

Oh, OK.

If we end up buying the house, it will cause me problems with internet as slow as 5mbps.

A couple of hundred metres away the zone of 20+MBPS begins. I'm hoping that there will be an upgrade soon!

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#1284634 15-Apr-2015 12:10

Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

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#1284707 15-Apr-2015 13:43

networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

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#1284714 15-Apr-2015 13:49

sbiddle:
networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

Yah I fully understand it's benefits and points of difference, however, there should be circumstances you could apply to have an exception made. Rural for example.

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#1285002 15-Apr-2015 18:02

sbiddle:
networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

And that would be bad? I suspect they want a cheaper price now..!

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#1285003 15-Apr-2015 18:04

networkn:
sbiddle:
networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

Yah I fully understand it's benefits and points of difference, however, there should be circumstances you could apply to have an exception made. Rural for example.

It does seem a bit pointless having it there and not using it.

Even with the connection we have now, online backups take weeks rather than days. If we buy this house, I will have to give up online backups and move to on site like the olden days.

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#1285006 15-Apr-2015 18:08

Geektastic:
sbiddle:
networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

And that would be bad? I suspect they want a cheaper price now..!

How would you like it if somebody said you should sell your house for 1/2 of what it's worth. What would you think?

There are significant fixed costs associated with delivering a P2P product over a GPON product, both at a physical level (single port per customer vs a OLU port shared between up to 16 customers on GPON) and significant backhaul costs to deliver a CIR rather than a best effort service. It's simply not possible to simply slash the price.

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#1285128 15-Apr-2015 21:05

There may not even be any fibre in the ground in the business fibre areas. Yet there is most likely to be ducting installed in those areas. So it won't be too much work to install fibre into the existing ductwork. But the quote will still be expensive. As it will be for installing a new dedicated fibre run from your house to the exchange. Guessing alot of this ducting was installed when ISAM based cabinets were installed. And the only fibre currently in the ducting will probably be feeds to the cabinets and feeds to cell towers.

Also guessing that the 20Mbit area is fed from an ISAM. See what cabinet / exchange feeds the property you are looking at. It might be a conklin.

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#1285201 15-Apr-2015 22:36

sbiddle:
Geektastic:
sbiddle:
networkn:
Geektastic: Odd as it's an area of large private residences in the country!

Fibre was laid in lots and lots of places. I often wonder what the actual cost of running this circuit is, and why rather than getting nothing for it, they don't make something from it, by offering to customers at more competitive prices so they have something to tide them over until UFB is deployed if ever.

It's a CIR product as it's a dedicated P2P connection and not shared bandwidth like GPON. You can't really make it more competitive than it is, or you'd have every business fibre customer wanting a cheaper price as well.

And that would be bad? I suspect they want a cheaper price now..!

How would you like it if somebody said you should sell your house for 1/2 of what it's worth. What would you think?

There are significant fixed costs associated with delivering a P2P product over a GPON product, both at a physical level (single port per customer vs a OLU port shared between up to 16 customers on GPON) and significant backhaul costs to deliver a CIR rather than a best effort service. It's simply not possible to simply slash the price.

I worked in a number of regulated businesses where every 5 years the Regulator did exactly that...!

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