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#1526923 6-Apr-2016 12:46

Yep it's working again. Looks like all around me now has fiber except for a box that consists of a couple of streets that I'm in and it looks like I'm out of luck until June 2017..

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#1526957 6-Apr-2016 13:20

Looks like they've been shuffling schedules too, I just got moved forward from Nov to Jul. Sweet.

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#1526984 6-Apr-2016 13:54

allio:

DarthKermit:

The web page https://www.chorus.co.nz/broadband-options/for-business/broadband-map which was cool for finding when UFB was going to be available around NZ is suddenly saying it requires a login to access it.

@InstallerUFB @chorusnz what's going on guys?

Seems to be working again now.

Note to Chorus: both address checkers are very useful and don't fully overlap in functionality. Please don't remove the "for business" one!

Glad to see its back!

curious though, how many techy people use that over CCM? (assuming you have access to it ofcourse.)

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#1527028 6-Apr-2016 14:45

Oh dear. My poor parents have been pushed back from this December to June next year. I was going to suggest they install a master splitter to improve their ADSL speeds in the interim, since they're only getting 4Mbps, but the map says they can't get better than 5Mbps, and no VDSL available. Very frustrating, since they're 7 houses from a UFB area :( Maybe they should look at

I'm pleased to see that at my own place we're achieving near maximum possible line speed - it says up to 46Mbps and I get around 44Mbps over ethernet. Depending on if I look at the business map or the consumer one, my UFB date has either been pushed back from March 2017 to June 2017, or bumped up to February. At least my speeds are decent, unlike Mum & Dad. #firstworldproblems

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#1527032 6-Apr-2016 14:57

I was going to post this once my order was finally complete however we are still a month off from completion. But here is the thing the map still shows as after Jul-2017 but the new less informative map shows 200mbps possible. Maybe this will help someone. Both me and my ISP where shocked when we found this out.

So first a bit of background. We originally had a date for implementation in Chorus Maps of Dec 2014. At the end of December this was pushed back. Way back. Kind of annoyed at the new date so I grumbled and moaned about how it was being built around us. Like literally built around us

I spoke to my ISP who contacted Chorus, only to be told,' sorry thats whats happening'. So in April 2015 I contacted Crown Fibre Holdings in an attempt to get a definitive answer as to the push back.

Hi

I work at ***(removed but within 1-60) Rosebank Rd and have been waiting for fibre to be rolled out to the point where i check about every month for updates. We were listed on the Chorus as having fibre rolled out before Dec 2014 this has since been pushed back to between 2017-2018(In other words the we have no idea category).

We have already had our part of the street dug up and conduit installed, Chorus have sent us a letter asking for consent due to our multi title status.

We could understand a small push back but this sounds like a snub. We are in a business zone. We are located next to a school and WINZ and a library is within the same zone along with 2 doctors offices but still we will not be getting it for many years to come. Meanwhile the residential areas around us are getting it now.

I feel like this is wrong. Fibre was touted at it's introduction as being a great thing for businesses and residential were a lower priority.

But looking at the Chorus maps it looks like it is switching. In Avondale businesses are being built around and are being classed as a lower priority.

So I guess this is a long way of asking what is the reason for this. Is there someone in council who is stopping this process or is there a governmental shift in focus?

If I can find out what is happening I can try and do something about it.

Thanks
Geoff Evans

Much to my surprise this was the email I received back

Dear Geoff

I’ve spoken to the planners at Chorus who suggest you place an order for a UFB business service with your provider. They’ve explained that as you are within an area already covered by legacy Chorus business fibre, it won’t be reticulated with UFB until later in the programme. You can order a UFB business product over the existing fibre now however.

If you have any problems with this, or your service provider comes back to say there’s no UFB in your area, I’ve cc’d Kate Morrison at Chorus who can assist.

Kind regards,

Anna

Right away I forwarded this email to my ISP and a few days later we where signed up and waiting for the install. 10 Months later and we have a ETP on the outside wall(I'm guessing they are still calling it this) with completion expected by May. 1-2+ years sooner than Chorus maps show.

It amazes me how this is still being registered differently to the UFB rollout and I wonder how many are sitting in legacy Chorus business fibre areas with UFB dates way off in the future.

I'm really thankful to Crown Fibre Holdings and Anna(CFH) for talking to Chorus as I would likely still be waiting for UFB had it not been for the email I sent to them.

Mods I asked for permission from Anna at Crown Fibre Holdings first before posting.

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#1527034 6-Apr-2016 14:59

@littleheaven it says up to 46 because thats the speed you are connected at :) the new address checker displays your current connected speed, check out others in your neighbourhood and see what they are getting.

if you had adsl and no UFB was avaliable but VDSL was it would say up to 50mbps

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#1527105 6-Apr-2016 16:06

Jase2985:

@littleheaven it says up to 46 because thats the speed you are connected at :) the new address checker displays your current connected speed, check out others in your neighbourhood and see what they are getting.

if you had adsl and no UFB was avaliable but VDSL was it would say up to 50mbps

Ah, I thought it was astonishingly accurate! Now I understand previous comments about being nosy with the neighbours' connections :o)

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#1527128 6-Apr-2016 16:34

It is an interesting way of checkin' out what the neighbours have for interwebz.

The street I live in only has 10 addresses on the odd numbers side.

#5 200 Mbps fibre

#5a (no house built yet)

#7 30 Mbps fibre

#9 30 Mbps fibre

#11 (no internet)

#15 18 Mbps ADSL

#17 200 Mbps fibre

#19 30 Mbps fibre

#21 (no internet)

#23 30 Mbps fibre

So we have 6 on fibre, one on ADSL, two with no home internet and none with VDSL.

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#1527130 6-Apr-2016 16:38

DarthKermit:

So we have 6 on fibre, one on ADSL, two with no home internet and none with VDSL.

If they're on a 3rd party's DSLAM (eg Orcon) then they show up as no internet (which is what it shows for me).

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#1527133 6-Apr-2016 16:49

And on the even numbered side of my street:

#2 13 Mbps ADSL

#4 (no internet)

#6 (no internet)

#8 30 Mbps fibre

#10 (no internet)

#16 21 Mbps ADSL

#18 100 Mbps fibre

#20 21 Mbps ADSL

#22 18 Mbps ADSL

#24 22 Mbps ADSL

#26 (no internet)

#26a (no internet)

#28 21 Mbps ADSL

#30 (no internet)

#32 19 Mbps ADSL

#34 20 Mbps ADSL

#36 30 Mbps fibre

#38 (no internet)

#40 (no internet)

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#1527135 6-Apr-2016 16:54

meesham:

DarthKermit:

So we have 6 on fibre, one on ADSL, two with no home internet and none with VDSL.

If they're on a 3rd party's DSLAM (eg Orcon) then they show up as no internet (which is what it shows for me).

I know for a fact that #11 and #21 don't have computers or internet at home. I've just posted the other side of my street; there are quite a few showing as no internet on the Chorus site.

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#1527137 6-Apr-2016 16:56

Thats exactly how ild expect uptake should be.

Why use vdsl when fibre is available. based on the 30mbit fibre, i would take a guess they have simply jumped medium from adsl to fibre. Once again a wise move.

Based off the speeds you have stated, it would all be in the upper 17a rates for VDSL too, Wonder if your cabinet is all ikanos linecards, broadcoms at the upper level (nearing 100/50) tends to get less fight in the vdsl should be dropped for fibre argument.

As i understand it, this is exactly where chorus would like things to be too. I recall there being some plan way down the line of limiting VDSL in fibre areas or even moving out those linecards to be better used in rural areas without fibre currently.

Is your street cabinet or exchange feed? that would be the main indicator on if there is likely connections on non-chorus DSLAMs

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#1527164 6-Apr-2016 17:12

It's possible that some of those addresses had VDSL before fibre became available. Fibre's been available for three years here now.

I have no idea what kind of line cards our xDSL cabinet has (maybe I could ask InstallerUFB, he'd be able to check that).

According to the PNCC measuring tool, our street is ~ 350 metres long. The xDSL cabinet is at the bottom end of the street, so very close by. I guess this means this area is cabinet and not exchange fed?

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#1527170 6-Apr-2016 17:23

DarthKermit:

It's possible that some of those addresses had VDSL before fibre became available. Fibre's been available for three years here now.

I have no idea what kind of line cards our xDSL cabinet has (maybe I could ask InstallerUFB, he'd be able to check that).

According to the PNCC measuring tool, our street is ~ 350 metres long. The xDSL cabinet is at the bottom end of the street, so very close by. I guess this means this area is cabinet and not exchange fed?

by the sounds of it, Yeah Cabinet fed. which most likely counts out offnetwork connections.

I cant think of any isps with gear IN certain cabinets off the top of my head, just exchanges. and midspanpoint is clearly not the case with the rates you listed.

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#1527188 6-Apr-2016 17:39

This is fascinating! I've been down my parents' street and most of the neighbours are getting 8-13Mbps, so perhaps a master splitter would be a grand idea for Mum & Dad - they could triple their speed. Interestingly, one house (which is super dodgy - it made the news a year ago when someone let off a firearm in it and then sparked a police chase) is getting 17Mbps which shows as exceeding their maximum available speed. Now I'm going to check my street.

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