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#2010522 9-May-2018 10:12

I'm starrting to have a real love/hate relationship with Cisco. I'm interested in hearing what other products are available. I want something which works out of the box with full support for everything specified by Chorus.

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#2010525 9-May-2018 10:19

MichaelNZ:

I'm starrting to have a real love/hate relationship with Cisco. I'm interested in hearing what other products are available. I want something which works out of the box with full support for everything specified by Chorus.

hg659b?

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#2010530 9-May-2018 10:22

hio77:

ouch, that one's still in there? Did you happen to fingerprint and size the amount of affected lines?

I'm not working with Cisco myself, but I'm trying to get an update/case number. Will provide it here when I get something.
It's not many lines, and we are turning off vectoring gain for the devices we know have issues.
We are also developing an application to check the ports where we have disabled vectoring, to see if they are now vectoring capable, this app will probably run once a week or something.

MichaelNZ:

I'm starrting to have a real love/hate relationship with Cisco. I'm interested in hearing what other products are available. I want something which works out of the box with full support for everything specified by Chorus.

Lots of products are available, and I believe Cisco are working on it.
You will probably struggle to find a G993.5 capable device which doesn't also support G.INP and SRA.

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#2011593 9-May-2018 11:50

hio77:

hg659b?

You mean Huawei budget ISP provided CPE?

If I look for something it will be something a business would buy to avoid ISP provided CPE.

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#2011595 9-May-2018 11:53

Just use the Huawei to bridge connection.

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#2011597 9-May-2018 11:56

Spyware:

Just use the Huawei to bridge connection.

That's exactly what a spy would say!

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#2011601 9-May-2018 12:06

SaltyNZ:

Spyware:

Just use the Huawei to bridge connection.

That's exactly what a spy would say!

Oh come on. Huawei is not that bad.

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#2011602 9-May-2018 12:07

BMarquis:

It's not many lines, and we are turning off vectoring gain for the devices we know have issues.
We are also developing an application to check the ports where we have disabled vectoring, to see if they are now vectoring capable, this app will probably run once a week or something.

Think that covers off my question anyway, with mention of this app.... This makes me all the more happier!.

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#2011603 9-May-2018 12:08

MichaelNZ:

hio77:

hg659b?

You mean Huawei budget ISP provided CPE?

If I look for something it will be something a business would buy to avoid ISP provided CPE.

lol. you asked for an all in one that just works...

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#2011618 9-May-2018 12:25

michaelmurfy:

Oh come on. Huawei is not that bad.

That was more of a joke around the fact that @Spyware was the user who suggested it. ;-)

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#2011649 9-May-2018 12:45

The problem you will find with the HG659B is that it consistently gets better sync rates that pretty much most high end routers. I have always found it amusing how much people bag them, yet with a router that costs 5-10 times the price automatically assumes it will get a better sync rate and have a better experience.

To me the only bugbear on the HG659B is the connection table support where if you have more than 32 devices, or a lot of torrents running the router falls over.

Other than that it's a very legit router for the smaller end residential and businesses.

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#2013406 10-May-2018 13:54

BMarquis:

My understanding is that a case is open with Cisco (via Spark).
ios 15.6 includes the option to disable vectoring: (we used c860vae-advsecurityk9-mz.156-3.M4.bin)

controller VDSL 0

operating mode vdsl2

vectoring none

I have updated the IOS to 15.6.3 M3 and the modem firmware to A2pv6C039t and have not found a vectoring command.

ip[redacted](config-controller)#?
Controller configuration commands:
bitswap Bit swap
default Set a command to its defaults
description Controller specific description
diagnostics Diagnostics DELT
exit Exit from controller configuration mode
firmware Active firmware file name
help Description of the interactive help system
lom Loss of Margin
modem vdsl modem configuration
no Negate a command or set its defaults
operating Configure auto or specific VDSL operating mode
shutdown Shutdown vdsl controller
sra Seemless Rate Adaption
sync xDSL sync preferences
training Dsl firmware training log

ip[redacted](config-controller)#

I have also tried firmware B2pvC038V, which explicitly specifies vectoring support, however this does not list the 887VA and in any case does not work, even though the 887VA uses the BC6368 chipset.

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#2013423 10-May-2018 14:12

BarTender:

The problem you will find with the HG659B is that it consistently gets better sync rates that pretty much most high end routers. I have always found it amusing how much people bag them, yet with a router that costs 5-10 times the price automatically assumes it will get a better sync rate and have a better experience.

To me the only bugbear on the HG659B is the connection table support where if you have more than 32 devices, or a lot of torrents running the router falls over.

Other than that it's a very legit router for the smaller end residential and businesses.

Broadcom chipsets seem pretty rare out there....

NF4V are still my favorites for these chipsets.

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#2014166 11-May-2018 16:35

Unfortunately, I am increasingly thinking this roll out is fraught.

I have researched several different brands and many products are quiet on the issue of vectoring support. Even for pricey products like Draytek and Cisco, their respective distributors can't tell me if their products support it, or not.

To quote one "Call back in 3 or 4 months [because vectoring is not available yet]". When I responded the rollout was already happening and has been so since September last year, the response was a disinterested "nobody has asked for it".

At this time it seems to be a case of hand over your money and take your chances.

I have spent a few hours researching the position with Cisco, but based on the off forum discussions I have had with another member, it's not looking promising, but as I have a Cisco (and a new one will cost a first born and then some and is still not guaranteed), I live in hope.

Hopefully next week I will be in a position to report back on this.

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#2014170 11-May-2018 16:39

MichaelNZ:

Unfortunately, I am increasingly thinking this roll out is fraught.

I have researched several different brands and many products are quiet on the issue of vectoring support. Even for pricey products like Draytek and Cisco, their respective distributors can't tell me if their products support it, or not.

To quote one "Call back in 3 or 4 months [because vectoring is not available yet]". When I responded the rollout was already happening and has been so since September last year, the response was a disinterested "nobody has asked for it".

At this time it seems to be a case of hand over your money and take your chances.

I have spent a few hours researching the position with Cisco. Hopefully next week I will be in a position to report back on this.

From my understanding, any VDSL modem that is "NBN Ready" should also be sweet in NZ. Most of the newer Draytek stuff is fine. (DV130, 2760...)

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