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#695103 2-Oct-2012 19:46

coffeebaron: Hi Graham,

I think I remember talking to you a while ago. I am the dealer / installer for www.ultimatemobile.co.nz in the Waikato area. Flick me a PM as we can offer you a solution right now.

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Get on to this man. Your broadband will probably be cheaper (and maybe faster) using a wifi network than the RBI. This is of course assuming they can reach you with their wifi network.

yorick

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#695249 3-Oct-2012 00:24

Yep going to check it out, I'll report back

LWJCarroll

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#697403 7-Oct-2012 10:46

johnr: Sorry not sure what value getting a bunch of neighbours to call Vodafone will add?

If you think it will speed up the build process it won't sorry It will only hold up other calls coming into the call centre

Not quite as some call centres log calls with a "type" so they get stats on calls being recieved, it enables sales staff etc to react accordingly....Rgds.....Laurie

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#697417 7-Oct-2012 11:29

LWJCarroll:
johnr: Sorry not sure what value getting a bunch of neighbours to call Vodafone will add?

If you think it will speed up the build process it won't sorry It will only hold up other calls coming into the call centre

Not quite as some call centres log calls with a "type" so they get stats on calls being recieved, it enables sales staff etc to react accordingly....Rgds.....Laurie

Oh with you now so Sales staff build Cell sites not Engineers / Techs!

Thanks for the INFO

yorick

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#697500 7-Oct-2012 15:45

johnr:
LWJCarroll:
johnr: Sorry not sure what value getting a bunch of neighbours to call Vodafone will add?

If you think it will speed up the build process it won't sorry It will only hold up other calls coming into the call centre

Not quite as some call centres log calls with a "type" so they get stats on calls being recieved, it enables sales staff etc to react accordingly....Rgds.....Laurie

Oh with you now so Sales staff build Cell sites not Engineers / Techs!

Thanks for the INFO

Yes indeed, the engineers never take any notice of the Marketing/Sales people, they just stick the towers up wherever it takes their fancy. Good business plan, no point in listening to customers, just a bloody nuisance really. :D

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#697504 7-Oct-2012 16:19

You make it sound like towers can be put what where ever they like, What about power , transmission (either microwave or fibre)

If we don't want work with customers why does Vodafone offer community built coverage?

To put in new coverage costs a lot of money land and hardware are not donated to carriers

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#697514 7-Oct-2012 16:56

Vodafone putting in a tower for 50 people would be like Chorus installing a fiber feed cabinet with an ISAM for 50 people. It just doesn't make sense. Build costs for cabinets start at around 20k for a 'simple swap' and can climb rapidly when trenching for fiber is involved.
So when the carriers put a tower in they are going to do it somewhere that can serve alot of customers but also benefit those that might be harder to reach. Just like the community RBI projects.

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#697548 7-Oct-2012 19:09

Does anyone have any insider-info on the tower being built in Awhitu? I live in Huia and we a supposedly being served RBI from across the harbour in Awhitu. Haven't heard anything for months however.

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#697564 7-Oct-2012 19:48

lookout: Does anyone have any insider-info on the tower being built in Awhitu? I live in Huia and we a supposedly being served RBI from across the harbour in Awhitu. Haven't heard anything for months however.

This was due to be built in this RBI roll out year (July 2012 to June 2013), but is currently on hold due to some legal action between the landowner and another party (not Vodafone/Chorus). I understand most of the work has been done to get the build of the tower done, so as soon as the dispute is resolved, then it should happen fairly quickly.

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#697692 8-Oct-2012 01:23

johnr:
LWJCarroll:
johnr: Sorry not sure what value getting a bunch of neighbours to call Vodafone will add?

If you think it will speed up the build process it won't sorry It will only hold up other calls coming into the call centre

Not quite as some call centres log calls with a "type" so they get stats on calls being recieved, it enables sales staff etc to react accordingly....Rgds.....Laurie

Oh with you now so Sales staff build Cell sites not Engineers / Techs!

Thanks for the INFO

Good grief...no need for the sarcasm...I was just pointing out that the call centers do get data off the calls they receive ..which when applicable help drive the sales response....it can also alert the company concerned to developing tech issues etc in turn driving the companies response to customers...

Engineers and techs only get to build stuff where it can be sold as a service etc... driven by customer demand...Laurie

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#698118 8-Oct-2012 20:01

Huia served but awhitu, would be careful of reflection from the tide, in saying that could wired country help you

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#698126 8-Oct-2012 20:10

WOW just looked at the wireless link at the start of this topic, that seams pretty expensive. What is the plan moving forward, has the government stipulated the pricing of wired and wireless delivery of RBI/UFB be similar or do country folk lose out once again with high monthly rental and bugger all data caps.

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#698134 8-Oct-2012 20:36

johny99: WOW just looked at the wireless link at the start of this topic, that seams pretty expensive. What is the plan moving forward, has the government stipulated the pricing of wired and wireless delivery of RBI/UFB be similar or do country folk lose out once again with high monthly rental and bugger all data caps.

You'd better believe it - despite the stated intention of RBI, rural people will continue to pay more and get less. It's just the way it is! And all the while UFB fibre is being rolled out (to hospitals and schools was my recollection), people who live nearby are being offered UFB installs for free!
This does rather turn the tables on the argument, oft repeated in these fora, that rural people shouldn't expect subsidies on their phone and internet services, and should just get used to paying more.

Consider this:

An urbanite, who probably already has access to internet speed and data prices which those of us near the bottom of the food chain can only dream about, can now get upgraded to UFB at no cost, thanks to the generous government subsidy.

While I, living rurally, essentially have three choices:

Wait for Vodafone to upgrade the local tower to full RBI status (not within the next 12 months according to Vodafone), then pay quite a few hundreds of $ for equipment and installation (a simple job I could easily do myself), and then continue to pay over the odds for data which will come down the pipe at only 3-5Mbps.
Use Telecom's XT network with similar speeds to RBI, but prohibitive data costs (a friend pays Telecom $30/month for only 750MB for this).
Use Farmside satellite, with reasonable up-front cost but high ongoing data cost.

And all because Chorus "have no plans to upgrade" the dismal backhaul to our local exchange, which we live alongside and sync to at 7Mbps.

So while Chorus are busy spending government money bringing UFB at no cost to the already privileged, there is no money in the pot for upgrades to existing infrastructure which Chorus has allowed to become overloaded to the point of failure. It would appear that the digital divide just got a whole lot wider...

Cheers,
Colin

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#698145 8-Oct-2012 21:01

RBI is just a joke in terms of pricing I can see the whole thing UFB just been a massive stuff up great in theory I guess but I am not happy to pay something stupid to bring the fibre down the additional 50 - 60 meters of the driveway but at least I will get a decent service unlike the rural folk whom I do feel sorry for, lastly why was vodafone allowed to tender when it should have been a chorus kordia partnership after all telecom had to separate for chorus to win the bid am I missing something vodafone didn't get any smaller they in fact got bigger ( sorry written on a tablet)

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#698189 8-Oct-2012 22:50

colinuu:
johny99: WOW just looked at the wireless link at the start of this topic, that seams pretty expensive. What is the plan moving forward, has the government stipulated the pricing of wired and wireless delivery of RBI/UFB be similar or do country folk lose out once again with high monthly rental and bugger all data caps.

You'd better believe it - despite the stated intention of RBI, rural people will continue to pay more and get less. It's just the way it is! And all the while UFB fibre is being rolled out (to hospitals and schools was my recollection), people who live nearby are being offered UFB installs for free!
This does rather turn the tables on the argument, oft repeated in these fora, that rural people shouldn't expect subsidies on their phone and internet services, and should just get used to paying more.

Consider this:

An urbanite, who probably already has access to internet speed and data prices which those of us near the bottom of the food chain can only dream about, can now get upgraded to UFB at no cost, thanks to the generous government subsidy.

While I, living rurally, essentially have three choices:
Wait for Vodafone to upgrade the local tower to full RBI status (not within the next 12 months according to Vodafone), then pay quite a few hundreds of $ for equipment and installation (a simple job I could easily do myself), and then continue to pay over the odds for data which will come down the pipe at only 3-5Mbps.
Use Telecom's XT network with similar speeds to RBI, but prohibitive data costs (a friend pays Telecom $30/month for only 750MB for this).
Use Farmside satellite, with reasonable up-front cost but high ongoing data cost.
And all because Chorus "have no plans to upgrade" the dismal backhaul to our local exchange, which we live alongside and sync to at 7Mbps.

So while Chorus are busy spending government money bringing UFB at no cost to the already privileged, there is no money in the pot for upgrades to existing infrastructure which Chorus has allowed to become overloaded to the point of failure. It would appear that the digital divide just got a whole lot wider...

Cheers,
Colin

I am so so sick of hearing this!!!!

Yes that is the way it is and it is highly unreasonable to expect the same coverage in a rural area than high density urban area.

People make the choice to move out to a rural area and have a nice big section, have lower council rates (sometimes), having the neighbours miles away, fresh air, the list goes on. With all those niceties I think it is very reasonable to expect some down sides. One of those down sides is that broadband availability is decreased.

This day in age internet access is just as important as having power to your house so people need to take that in to consideration when looking at rural property.

And yes, 'urbanites' are benefiting from the UFB scheme NOW but they also have to deal with 800m2 sections, noisey neighbours, smelly buses, etc.

As far as I am concerned if you live in a rural area you accept that broadband isn't going to be as fast and cheap as in the middle of town and if speed is so important then relinquish the nice rural lifestyle and move in to the city. Expecting Chorus (or Vodafone) to spend HUGE money in an area with 100 people where they could spend the same amount and service 1000 people is just ridiculous.

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