What is the best isp for gaming and peer2peer connections?

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#1153722 14-Oct-2014 16:02

Iinet were pretty great, they used to offer unmetered access to xbox live, including downloads.

There are a lot of little isp start ups in NZ, are they trust worthy or is best just to stick with the big names like spark/Vodafone/big pipe I.e

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#1153724 14-Oct-2014 16:02

TyroneB:
Would anyone know of any special offers that are limited timed? When I was in Australia there were isp offering gaming consoles and everything to sign new consumers.

All ild say, is consider all your options before locking into a contract like that.

dont be aiming to get the most benefits out of your isps contract, look for what you want... AN ISP.. a service not benefits...

your requirements are still rather open... gaming and p2p... that doesnt say alot at all.

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#1153725 14-Oct-2014 16:03

TyroneB: Iinet were pretty great, they used to offer unmetered access to xbox live, including downloads.

There are a lot of little isp start ups in NZ, are they trust worthy or is best just to stick with the big names like spark/Vodafone/big pipe I.e

bigpipe actually sint a big name, they are relatively small compared to other isps.

unlimited plans are becoming the norm here, and thankfully are not like back in the day where unlimited meant shaped to buggery...

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#1153763 14-Oct-2014 16:34

I'd recommend Big Pipe over Vodafone simply because performance and no call center to deal with plus its a no contract so bring your own modem deal.

Unless CG-NAT is going to be an issue(meaning you don't get a normal IP like every other ISP does) then Big Pipe is really the way to go. (off topic) Even I want Big Pipe but I don't think they'll purchase my contract :X

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#1153765 14-Oct-2014 16:35

kiwikiwi: I'd recommend Big Pipe over Vodafone simply because performance and no call center to deal with plus its a no contract so bring your own modem deal.

Unless CG-NAT is going to be an issue(meaning you don't get a normal IP like every other ISP does) then Big Pipe is really the way to go. (off topic) Even I want Big Pipe but I don't think they'll purchase my contract :X

upon request bigpipe do provide a public ip.

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#1153774 14-Oct-2014 16:37

hio77:
kiwikiwi: I'd recommend Big Pipe over Vodafone simply because performance and no call center to deal with plus its a no contract so bring your own modem deal.

Unless CG-NAT is going to be an issue(meaning you don't get a normal IP like every other ISP does) then Big Pipe is really the way to go. (off topic) Even I want Big Pipe but I don't think they'll purchase my contract :X

upon request bigpipe do provide a public ip.

Ahh left that small detail out my bad thanks for the correction :^)

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#1153973 14-Oct-2014 21:58

kiwikiwi: I'd recommend Big Pipe over Vodafone simply because performance and no call center to deal with plus its a no contract so bring your own modem deal.

Unless CG-NAT is going to be an issue(meaning you don't get a normal IP like every other ISP does) then Big Pipe is really the way to go. (off topic) Even I want Big Pipe but I don't think they'll purchase my contract :X

That's going to be an issue for gaming, requesting a public ipv4 address would be needed.

Questions for BigPipe: Does the CG-NAT "system" add latency? If you get a public ip address do you bypass the CG-NAT "system"

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#1153975 14-Oct-2014 22:04

hio77:

bigpipe actually sint a big name, they are relatively small compared to other isps.

BigPipe is owned by Spark (Digital Ventures), it's sort of like Skinny (in mobile) a striped back offering targeting a different niche to Spark.

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#1153979 14-Oct-2014 22:08

Ragnor:
hio77:

bigpipe actually sint a big name, they are relatively small compared to other isps.

BigPipe is owned by Spark (Digital Ventures), it's sort of like Skinny (in mobile) a striped back offering targeting a different niche to Spark.

I know Bigpipe are part of digital ventures, but depending on how you read into that they are iver counted as spark, or another isp all together..

bigpipe make a point of trying to make it clear they may be funded by Digital Ventures and such, but they are their own isp.. thus my position on it.

Suppose if you want to question where it falls there though, do you count flip as their own isp?

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#1154330 15-Oct-2014 12:04

hio77:
Ragnor:
hio77:

bigpipe actually sint a big name, they are relatively small compared to other isps.

BigPipe is owned by Spark (Digital Ventures), it's sort of like Skinny (in mobile) a striped back offering targeting a different niche to Spark.

I know Bigpipe are part of digital ventures, but depending on how you read into that they are iver counted as spark, or another isp all together..

bigpipe make a point of trying to make it clear they may be funded by Digital Ventures and such, but they are their own isp.. thus my position on it.

Suppose if you want to question where it falls there though, do you count flip as their own isp?

Bigpipe have their own infrastructure, backhaul and interconnect. From every aspect they are a completely separate RSP. They may be owned by Spark, but that's about it.

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#1154432 15-Oct-2014 14:13

BarTender:
hio77:
Ragnor:
hio77:

bigpipe actually sint a big name, they are relatively small compared to other isps.

BigPipe is owned by Spark (Digital Ventures), it's sort of like Skinny (in mobile) a striped back offering targeting a different niche to Spark.

I know Bigpipe are part of digital ventures, but depending on how you read into that they are iver counted as spark, or another isp all together..

bigpipe make a point of trying to make it clear they may be funded by Digital Ventures and such, but they are their own isp.. thus my position on it.

Suppose if you want to question where it falls there though, do you count flip as their own isp?

Bigpipe have their own infrastructure, backhaul and interconnect. From every aspect they are a completely separate RSP. They may be owned by Spark, but that's about it.

Exactly.

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#1154446 15-Oct-2014 14:19

Ragnor:
kiwikiwi: I'd recommend Big Pipe over Vodafone simply because performance and no call center to deal with plus its a no contract so bring your own modem deal.

Unless CG-NAT is going to be an issue(meaning you don't get a normal IP like every other ISP does) then Big Pipe is really the way to go. (off topic) Even I want Big Pipe but I don't think they'll purchase my contract :X

That's going to be an issue for gaming, requesting a public ipv4 address would be needed.

Questions for BigPipe: Does the CG-NAT "system" add latency? If you get a public ip address do you bypass the CG-NAT "system"

Checked with the network guys,

CGNAT doesn't add any perceivable latency (less than 1ms - a lot less).

So for most gaming it is totally fine. Only if you want to host your own servers will it cause an issue, in which case you can have a public IP at no charge upon request.

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#1155658 15-Oct-2014 20:17

Go for Vodafone. Best service they will look after you.

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#1156227 16-Oct-2014 16:49

BigPipeNZ:
Checked with the network guys,

CGNAT doesn't add any perceivable latency (less than 1ms - a lot less).

So for most gaming it is totally fine. Only if you want to host your own servers will it cause an issue, in which case you can have a public IP at no charge upon request.

A lot of games aren't client > server but are peer to peer where one side is hosting. Older games especially are probably going to have problems, onse that use UDP hole punching etc to make NAT to NAT connections work etc.

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#1156229 16-Oct-2014 17:00

BarTender:

Bigpipe have their own infrastructure, backhaul and interconnect. From every aspect they are a completely separate RSP. They may be owned by Spark, but that's about it.

Sure the ISP network part sounds like it's separate/different but when you think about it the backhaul from the exchange/cabinet to the ISP is likely to be Chorus (like most ISP's). Transit is likely to be Spark Wholesale/Global Gateway... so really how different is it to Spark retail?

No transparent caching proxy, different transit bandwidth pool/management, less legacy crap good start... but are they:
1: Working on ipv6?
2: Participating in the DIA filter?
3: Peering at APE, WIX etc?

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