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Master Geek

#1400435 5-Oct-2015 17:13

Hi Guys,

Yeah i was goona use scothlocks but the guage of the feed cable is much larger than that of the twisted pairs not sure it will push
through the hole? any other types that might terminate different guages of wire?

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#1400436 5-Oct-2015 17:16

What kinda size are we talking comparatively? Your CAT5e/CAT6 is probably 0.5mm. Remember you can strip off the insulator to make it fit, you just gotta squeeze the hell out of the scotchlok to ensure it doesn't decompress.

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Master Geek

#1400440 5-Oct-2015 17:23

i would say 3 - 4mm on feed wire.....

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#1400443 5-Oct-2015 17:27

Holy crap - that's a big incoming wire. Are you sure it's that big with the insulator scraped off? The biggest I've come across is 0.9mm of copper, with a big bit of sheath around it.

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Master Geek

#1400444 5-Oct-2015 17:28

Yep positive, hence the conundrum..

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#1400471 5-Oct-2015 18:24

You could try Scotchlok 577s, we use 577-TG for aerial drop leads converting to underground or internal, although they "only" go up to 1.5mm diameter. You mind taking a photo of the super large entry cable next to a bit of 0.5mm internal?

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InstallerUFB

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Ultimate Geek

#1400476 5-Oct-2015 18:29

Sideface: Go to Cables Direct

search for these tools:

to join ethernet to RJ45 sockets:

"Punch Down Tool" (Krone type)

to join ethernet to incoming phone wires (or master filter):

"Gel filled Joiner"
"Compression Tool"
"Swivel Blade Cable Stripper"

Most if not 90% of RJ45 IDC connectors are designed for AT&T 110 punch down tool not a Krone punch down (as they originate from an American Standard)

100% of BT Style IDC connectors use a Krone punch down tool (as they originate from a English Standard)

ONLY connectors marked as KATT (Krone & AT&T) can be used with either

Use the wrong tool and you risk either breaking the tool or the IDC strip

(IDC = Insulation Displacement Connector)

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Master Geek

#1400479 5-Oct-2015 18:32

Yep will do, i wont be up there again till next weekend as i hve to get the lan cable , patch panel etc etc, but will update this post if u like

CHeers

iDruid

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Master Geek

#1400501 5-Oct-2015 19:09

Anyone tried the cat5e rolls listed on trademe? any advice on cabling before i buy something i might regret?

iDruid

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Master Geek

#1417386 30-Oct-2015 22:13

Hi All,

Well I started this project today and took the advice of a few but I must have done something wrong as I have no DSL.

I used cat5e cable and have put the blue pair onto
the incoming wiring, the incoming wiring only has 2 wires a red and a black I'm not sure if I matters which way round? I then fed the same blue , blue/white wires to my patch panel and an rj45 to rj11 that I made, maybe I got this wrong?

Any direction would help

Cheers

InstallerUFB

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Ultimate Geek

#1417415 30-Oct-2015 22:56

iDruid: Hi All,

Well I started this project today and took the advice of a few but I must have done something wrong as I have no DSL.

I used cat5e cable and have put the blue pair onto
the incoming wiring, the incoming wiring only has 2 wires a red and a black I'm not sure if I matters which way round? I then fed the same blue , blue/white wires to my patch panel and an rj45 to rj11 that I made, maybe I got this wrong?

Any direction would help

Cheers

Nope it dosent mater which way around you connect the circuit - btw in most cases (if connected to Chorus equipment) even if the line is for naked DSL there is still a deactivated POTS line attached to it as well - which means you can still connect a phone up to the line and check for deactivated DialTone at any point along the circuit (Known as NU Tone - which sounds similar to busy line tone)

Just in case you may have the plug config mixed up on your made up cord - here is a copy of the standard pin outs

The red and Green wires on the pin outs are the normal voice/dsl pair (your blue/Bluewhite)

iDruid

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Master Geek

#1417428 30-Oct-2015 23:43

hi thanks for that image but now I'm more confused lol
obviously I'm using another length of cat5e to the modem
rj45 into the patch panel wher I have run the blue blue/white
single pair the colours in that chart do not correspond to
cat 5e cable, I did see your note about the Middle two but
what about the others ?

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#1417430 30-Oct-2015 23:46

iDruid: hi thanks for that image but now I'm more confused lol
obviously I'm using another length of cat5e to the modem
rj45 into the patch panel wher I have run the blue blue/white
single pair the colours in that chart do not correspond to
cat 5e cable, I did see your note about the Middle two but
what about the others ?

http://www.coris.org.uk/network/RJ45-wiring.html

May be more helpful - it's the standard wiring diagram for the most common RJ45 termination for 8-wire CAT5/e/6.

Also, Blue/White will show up as pins 4/5 on the jack.

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InstallerUFB

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Ultimate Geek

#1417437 30-Oct-2015 23:58

iDruid: hi thanks for that image but now I'm more confused lol
obviously I'm using another length of cat5e to the modem
rj45 into the patch panel wher I have run the blue blue/white
single pair the colours in that chart do not correspond to
cat 5e cable, I did see your note about the Middle two but
what about the others ?

For a cable just for the xDSL you dont need the other 3 pairs as its only a single pair circuit ( if you need to put them in to fill up the crimp the other pairs can go anywhere as they do anything)

In the long run you are probaly beter off just using a production made RJ11 to RJ11 cord ( most modem/routers come with at least one)

iDruid

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Master Geek

#1417442 31-Oct-2015 00:13

yep tried both already no go, not sure where to start now?

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