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#2134620 26-Nov-2018 15:59

MikeB4:

Unless I am missing something but I would have thought routing the fibre via a fence was a silly idea as these are not a long term structures and in the Wellington region subject to a lot of wind.

its a horrible way of doing it but now an approved way because of the cost (they are being cheap)

its suppose to be a long lasting piece of infrastructure but its being done at the cheapest possible price and lots of installs will need redone in the future for the sake of saving a few $$

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#2134627 26-Nov-2018 16:05

SpartanVXL: Problem with trying to get it removed is that it's Chorus's property, you'd be liable for damages to it if you do anything to it.

If it was installed on a fence on the adjacent property, I'd argue that distress damage feasant applies, and the property owner has the right to impound any chattel until compensation for damage caused by it is secured.

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#2134679 26-Nov-2018 16:13

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SpartanVXL: Problem with trying to get it removed is that it's Chorus's property, you'd be liable for damages to it if you do anything to it.

If it was installed on a fence on the adjacent property, I'd argue that distress damage feasant applies, and the property owner has the right to impound any chattel until compensation for damage caused by it is secured.

Don't know if boundary fence + shared cost (shared ownership?) comes into it, either way if it gets cut/damaged and whoever is on the other end requests a call out chorus will probably blame whoever was likely to have touched it. If there is a shiny new fence sans fibre cable where their notes say it last was then they'll likely go after OP.

Not to mention the person actually using the line. We'll get another thread of someone complaining that their neighbour cut their new fibre line and what to do about it.

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#2134685 26-Nov-2018 16:23

SpartanVXL: Don't know if boundary fence + shared cost (shared ownership?) comes into it.

Both parties have rights to use it if shared, which likely includes consenting to sub-standard fibre installs.

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#2134751 26-Nov-2018 17:26

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MikeB4:

Unless I am missing something but I would have thought routing the fibre via a fence was a silly idea as these are not a long term structures and in the Wellington region subject to a lot of wind.

There are literally thousands of HFC connections on fences as it was an approved Saturn install method when the cable network was first deployed in the '90s and pretty much the standard way of getting a connection to a rear property if an overhead lead-in wasn't possible.

I don't recall ever seeing anybody complain about these installs over the years either here on GZ or elsewhere, and yet when Chorus start using the same method many people seem to think the world is ending!

@ abiddle I think that is pushing things saying that folks think the world is coming to an end because they question the method of installing what is supposed to be a long term infrustructure install.

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#2134813 26-Nov-2018 18:15

Is it on your-facing-side of the fence, or the back side of the fence (ie, you can't see it)?

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#2134857 26-Nov-2018 18:55

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There are literally thousands of HFC connections on fences as it was an approved Saturn install method when the cable network was first deployed in the '90s and pretty much the standard way of getting a connection to a rear property if an overhead lead-in wasn't possible.

I don't recall ever seeing anybody complain about these installs over the years either here on GZ or elsewhere, and yet when Chorus start using the same method many people seem to think the world is ending!

My sister had one of those HFC installs. The difference was that the HFC was run in a pvc duct clipped to the bottom rail of the fence out of sight. When she got fibre she offered to put a 2nd duct along the same place but the installers insisted on running the black microduct on the face of the fence about 300mm off the ground. Just close enough to the concrete to emphasize how straight and parallel it isn't.

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#2134939 26-Nov-2018 22:48

Chorus subcontractors managed to do this at my place too, without any permission signed by myself, or the rear property.

The fight so far is getting me next to no where, but in the same token, I'm wanting to replace the fence (atleast, my section of it, anyway), so would prefer it had been trenched (never minding the terrible look of it just tacked to a bloody fence!)

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#2134961 27-Nov-2018 05:09

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#2134964 27-Nov-2018 05:51

evilonenz:

Chorus subcontractors managed to do this at my place too, without any permission signed by myself, or the rear property.

The fight so far is getting me next to no where, but in the same token, I'm wanting to replace the fence (atleast, my section of it, anyway), so would prefer it had been trenched (never minding the terrible look of it just tacked to a bloody fence!)

Shockingly bad workmanship. I feel bad for the guys/girls who are told they have to do things like that.

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#2135102 27-Nov-2018 10:39

Tracer:

evilonenz:

Chorus subcontractors managed to do this at my place too, without any permission signed by myself, or the rear property.

The fight so far is getting me next to no where, but in the same token, I'm wanting to replace the fence (atleast, my section of it, anyway), so would prefer it had been trenched (never minding the terrible look of it just tacked to a bloody fence!)

Shockingly bad workmanship. I feel bad for the guys/girls who are told they have to do things like that.

Totally agree. I don't know why the hell they would even think it is a feasible way to install down a driveway. Literally anyone could come along and kill my internet in a heartbeat.

I unfortunately wasn't home when that part of the install took place, as I wasn't made aware of it, until I got home and my driveway had cuts through it, and a cable literally stapled to the fence, needless to say, wasn't overly happy that afternoon. The Chorus techs who came to actually complete the install literally told me "just bury it yourself, it'll be easier"..

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#2135123 27-Nov-2018 11:07

The position Chorus has taken is that we can utilize boundary fences for the installation of our network. Our view is that each owner is entitled to use their side of the fence as such we only seek consent from the owners on the side of the fence we are installing on.

The general rule is that a boundary fence can be utilized by the property that it borders, unless there are other private agreements between the parties that we are not privy too.
It is assumed the fence separating the two properties is a boundary fence and is subject to the Fencing Act 1978.

Unless there is a strong indication onsite when we complete the scoping assessment that the fence is clearly set back one of the owner’s properties then we treat it as a boundary fence.
Chorus can do numerous install methods to suit every propriety owners needs but not all methods are available in the free install. ^Mike

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#2135146 27-Nov-2018 11:27

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The position Chorus has taken is that we can utilize boundary fences for the installation of our network. Our view is that each owner is entitled to use their side of the fence as such we only seek consent from the owners on the side of the fence we are installing on.

The general rule is that a boundary fence can be utilized by the property that it borders, unless there are other private agreements between the parties that we are not privy too.
It is assumed the fence separating the two properties is a boundary fence and is subject to the Fencing Act 1978.

Unless there is a strong indication onsite when we complete the scoping assessment that the fence is clearly set back one of the owner’s properties then we treat it as a boundary fence.
Chorus can do numerous install methods to suit every propriety owners needs but not all methods are available in the free install. ^Mike

Partly understood, however, the fence that the cable has been tacked onto, as illustrated with the white line, belongs to both the front house (blue), and middle house (red), however, the cable supplies middle (red) and rear houses (green), thus, shouldn't the front house have to have been asked permission/consent for their boundary fence to be used in this install?

I know for fact that I got nothing in regards to the positioning or consent for cable run up the driveway portion of the install, just the trenching into my yard, plus the method to install the ONT internally. Curious about the process here..

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#2135158 27-Nov-2018 11:39

Telcos and Power companies have been doing ugly installations on existing dwellings for decades, especially when they incur the costs.

For new dwellings, the owners incur the costs and normally have the jobs done in a "workman-like manner" (underground with conduit).

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#2135183 27-Nov-2018 12:21

evilonenz:

Partly understood, however, the fence that the cable has been tacked onto, as illustrated with the white line, belongs to both the front house (blue), and middle house (red), however, the cable supplies middle (red) and rear houses (green), thus, shouldn't the front house have to have been asked permission/consent for their boundary fence to be used in this install?

I know for fact that I got nothing in regards to the positioning or consent for cable run up the driveway portion of the install, just the trenching into my yard, plus the method to install the ONT internally. Curious about the process here..

In this instance: as the side of the fence we attached the Fibre to faces a driveway you don't use/control, we don’t need permission from you to install the cable there. If it happened that you also used that driveway for access then we would.

The only consents you would have received (regarding the trenching and install of the ONT) would have been specific to your Fibre connection as a single dwelling unit (aka. a standard install)

This is because from a consents point of view, what we have here is one property (Red and Green) as a Right of way and one property (blue) as a single dwelling unit. These have quite different consenting requirements/processes. ^Richard

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