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#2750189 26-Jul-2021 21:27

sdavisnz: How many households will suffer from double NAT.

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I'd say go back to the drawing board and ask for a smaller unit.

Nobody will have double NAT. The ONT doesn't function any differently to the existing 200/300 series ONT.

NZ is a pretty small customer.. At a period where there are massive supply chain issues (which is what is driving this change) a redesign may not even be an option.

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#2750195 26-Jul-2021 21:39

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I'd be curious to find out how many households use the wifi feature in the provided ONTs? Most people would turn everything off and use their own router right – or am I simply describing the GZ user base?

Nobody would even bother with it. ISPs routers are far better than this solution. Not to mention people would also carefully position their single AP to cover an entire house. Wifi on an ont is straight up plain silly.

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#2750202 26-Jul-2021 22:16

MaxineN:
Newtown:
I'd be curious to find out how many households use the wifi feature in the provided ONTs? Most people would turn everything off and use their own router right – or am I simply describing the GZ user base?

Nobody would even bother with it. ISPs routers are far better than this solution. Not to mention people would also carefully position their single AP to cover an entire house. Wifi on an ont is straight up plain silly.

For now.

I gave it a fair test at my previous job, and it preformed bloody well. Considering its a 100mw 2x2, I was astonished at how much it sweaped the carpet of the 2x2 ISP device. 4x4 there were a few situations it also won out on.

Ofcorse peak rate the 4x4:4 devices some isps do now were no comparison.
Tests ranged from single device, to multiple devices, different bands vs same. High packet rate with a normal live TV stream alongside etc.

The one result that shocked me was how good these onts did at terminating pppoe and traffic shaping to about right, rather than just being left to tcp. Particuarly in upload speeds, average, 95% and consistently.

If it was not such a locked down box, I'd have seriously considered using it as my router.

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#2750361 27-Jul-2021 08:46

On further reflection the rear connectors are not too much of a issue, as Mike @PolicyGuy linked there are right angle connectors available and only one is required in 99% of installations, also if the fibre containment (ITP?) is used as with the current type 300 then the ONT is sitting approx 30mm off the wall anyway so a even a normal patch lead or even very easily the current flexible flat lead provided will fit with ease.

But there are a few confusing numbers mentioned in the information pack, on page 2 it says the depth is 50mm (compared to current type300 at 34mm), yet on page 5 it says 30mm, could someone clarify maybe Brent @BMarquis ? will the new ONT sit on the same existing fibre ITP or will it fit directly to the wall sans an ITP, I thought the current ITP design with its little extra clip allowed for changes in ONT fitment with out changing out the ITP. If the ITP is still used that makes the depth of the whole setup 30mm + 50mm or is it 30mm + 30mm ??????

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#2750362 27-Jul-2021 08:50

hio77:
I gave it a fair test at my previous job, and it preformed bloody well. Considering its a 100mw 2x2, I was astonished at how much it sweaped the carpet of the 2x2 ISP device. 4x4 there were a few situations it also won out on.

Ofcorse peak rate the 4x4:4 devices some isps do now were no comparison.
Tests ranged from single device, to multiple devices, different bands vs same. High packet rate with a normal live TV stream alongside etc.

The one result that shocked me was how good these onts did at terminating pppoe and traffic shaping to about right, rather than just being left to tcp. Particuarly in upload speeds, average, 95% and consistently.

If it was not such a locked down box, I'd have seriously considered using it as my router.

Alright my interest has been gained and now I am curious. But I've never seen a ONT in a good spot unless I arranged the install. Still not exactly sold on it.

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#2750714 27-Jul-2021 15:06

MaxineN:
Newtown:

I'd be curious to find out how many households use the wifi feature in the provided ONTs? Most people would turn everything off and use their own router right.

Nobody would even bother with it. ISPs routers are far better than this solution. Not to mention people would also carefully position their single AP to cover an entire house. Wifi on an ont is straight up plain silly.

For now.

I'm wondering if ISP's or Chorus will be able to access it? The ONT being a router seems like the perfect mix for your ISP to literally manage it for you.

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#2750725 27-Jul-2021 15:56

Newtown:

I'd be curious to find out how many households use the wifi feature in the provided ONTs? Most people would turn everything off and use their own router right – or am I simply describing the GZ user base?

Can’t imagine it’s many as I’m pretty sure the RSP needs to support it and enable it, and I’m not aware of any RSPs that have done so (at least at any scale). They’d prefer to use their own CPE and attach it to the ONT for a variety of reasons.

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#2751035 28-Jul-2021 08:50

cyril7:

But there are a few confusing numbers mentioned in the information pack, on page 2 it says the depth is 50mm (compared to current type300 at 34mm), yet on page 5 it says 30mm, could someone clarify maybe Brent @BMarquis ? will the new ONT sit on the same existing fibre ITP or will it fit directly to the wall sans an ITP, I thought the current ITP design with its little extra clip allowed for changes in ONT fitment with out changing out the ITP. If the ITP is still used that makes the depth of the whole setup 30mm + 50mm or is it 30mm + 30mm ??????

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@cyril7 I think the 50mm vs 30mm thing is with/without including the stand. I don't have one in front of me to check though.

Our Physical Engineering team is still working on installation practices, so I cant comment on what the they will be.
Once we get a little further down the path, I suspect there will be more comms.

As a general statement - I see some comments about how ideal or how much of a step up (or not) this is from the 3rd Gen.
That is not what this piece of work is about, we are mitigating a supply chain issue due to the on-going global chipset issues which are impacting the 3rd Gen ONT.

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#2751056 28-Jul-2021 09:20

MaxineN:
Alright my interest has been gained and now I am curious. But I've never seen a ONT in a good spot unless I arranged the install. Still not exactly sold on it.

A couple of years ago I visited a friend who'd just bought into a large retirement village in the South Island. The install was a typical electrician one with 3 RJ45 only where you'd put phones and lots of tv coax. The metal cabinet in the garage had a Fritzbox inside it.

That sort of install might be a candidate. It's a waste of anything better.

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