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#2755967 6-Aug-2021 09:26

ermat: 95 meters

That's gonna make copper attenuation even less attractive

, (unless you want to built a box with power at the gate for your modem and cable it back to the house)

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#2755987 6-Aug-2021 09:52

ermat: 95 meters

I would be putting power data and alarm cable out to a box by the letterbox, this way

- if you want to do VDSL, you can put the modem out there and it will increase your sync rate

- If you want an electronic gate, it is all ready

- if you want wireless remotes on your alarm, the receiver can be by the letterbox so you have better range when driving in.

By doing this now, you can have the conduits come up through your slab into the right place and gives you options later.

Hmmmm

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#2755991 6-Aug-2021 10:01

Unfortunately i have run the std phone wire.

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#2755993 6-Aug-2021 10:09

so my options could come down to
Starlink or rural wifi ?

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#2755995 6-Aug-2021 10:09

I wouldn't bother putting any effort to a copper connection these days. RBI is just getting better and better and will be significantly more future proof than copper.

Just install one of these antenna pointing in the direction of your closest cell tower:
https://www.gowifi.co.nz/gowirelessnzltd/ant-228.html
with a two of these cables running from that antenna to where your router would be located:
https://www.gowifi.co.nz/p-41.html

And then you can get an RBI connection from any of the 3 telcos (Spark, VF, 2degrees, at least I assume 2degrees does it now) that does RBI, or from any of their resellers.

Edit: Just for context, I have business customers getting 100Mbps+ download speeds on their 4G RBI connections that we buy wholesale via Vodafone.

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#2755996 6-Aug-2021 10:15

ermat: Unfortunately i have run the std phone wire.

Ducted??...

You could that wire as a draw and run some cat 6... (are there enough watts in PoE to homebrew power a VDSL modem??)

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#2756001 6-Aug-2021 10:25

chevrolux:
I wouldn't bother putting any effort to a copper connection these days. RBI is just getting better and better and will be significantly more future proof than copper.

Just install one of these antenna pointing in the direction of your closest cell tower:
https://www.gowifi.co.nz/gowirelessnzltd/ant-228.html
with a two of these cables running from that antenna to where your router would be located:
https://www.gowifi.co.nz/p-41.html

And then you can get an RBI connection from any of the 3 telcos (Spark, VF, 2degrees, at least I assume 2degrees does it now) that does RBI, or from any of their resellers.

Edit: Just for context, I have business customers getting 100Mbps+ download speeds on their 4G RBI connections that we buy wholesale via Vodafone.

Cheers,
Typically how high would that antenna need to be above ground.

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#2756066 6-Aug-2021 10:49

wellygary:
ermat: Unfortunately i have run the std phone wire.

Ducted??...

You could that wire as a draw and run some cat 6... (are there enough watts in PoE to homebrew power a VDSL modem??)

not ducted

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#2756071 6-Aug-2021 11:00

ermat:

Cheers,
Typically how high would that antenna need to be above ground.

You'd just go as high as you can. Generally a "sky tv dish" mount off the soffit is fine. But you might like to get up on the apex of the roof with an aerial mount to give more aiming options if there are multiple towers to pick from.

Cell tower map here (requires login):
https://gis.geek.nz/map/celltowers

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#2756125 6-Aug-2021 12:52

what range would that go wireless antenna have.
I have an almost line of sight to a Vodafone tower in Athenree.
I'm roughly 7 klm away from it.
If i can get a signal, what would i pay for signal ?

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#2756166 6-Aug-2021 13:50

An interesting read from @freakngeek: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=215269

In the past he had moved his VDSL modem out to the front by the road complete with solar panels and just set up a P2P wireless link back to the house. Sounds like something you could potentially do too.

But instead of RBI via Vodafone / Spark etc consider a local WISP as speeds are often better and you're less likely to see peak time congestion.

Also post your "general location" as somebody here could likely recommend a local WISP for you.

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#2756177 6-Aug-2021 14:03

I'm located in Tahawai, katikati.

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#2756201 6-Aug-2021 14:59

My opinion of doing the modem at the gate thing with a wireless p2p is the cost benefit when just 100m drive way is involved is very hard to justify. 100m of copper (especially a new thick 049) really isn't really going to net a whole lot. If the driveway was 1km, then that's a different story.
And then on top of that, you're banking on your local copper actually being good quality. If its poor quality, you're going to end up with bad speeds, and dropouts when it rains and things. Chorus don't care about maintaining their copper anymore (fight me Chorus, you know its true), and more importantly, most of the techs now can't even diagnose a fault properly.

And then the WISP option is just really dependant on the local situation. For example, our local WISP in the Manawatu is pretty good at managing load on towers, and that means their service is awesome. But then I had a client in the Taranaki on a different WISP and the connection was trash. Either just a poor link, or overly contended back haul.

While peak congestion on a cell tower can be bad, I've still not seen it get to a point where its severely impacted real world use of a connection (don't just show me a speedtest). What I like about an RBI connection is I can put veeeeery little thought in to it. I can chuck up an external antenna, and be very confident I'm going to pull in a 30/10-ish (absolute minimum) connection in basically any scenario where my cellphone reports even just a "single bar" of signal strength.

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#2756214 6-Aug-2021 15:31

chevrolux: What I like about an RBI connection is I can put veeeeery little thought in to it. I can chuck up an external antenna, and be very confident I'm going to pull in a 30/10-ish (absolute minimum) connection in basically any scenario where my cellphone reports even just a "single bar" of signal strength.

Having lived on RBI in South Auckland for 2.5 years, I wholeheartedly disagree, Load was a huge issue for me, it was barely usable for 6 hours a day.

Hmmmm

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#2756220 6-Aug-2021 15:54

michaelmurfy:

An interesting read from @freakngeek: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=215269

In the past he had moved his VDSL modem out to the front by the road complete with solar panels and just set up a P2P wireless link back to the house. Sounds like something you could potentially do too.

But instead of RBI via Vodafone / Spark etc consider a local WISP as speeds are often better and you're less likely to see peak time congestion.

Also post your "general location" as somebody here could likely recommend a local WISP for you.

My ears rang as name being used
Ah yes as you may remember last year, Wild Fire ripped through Lake Ohau taking out 48 houses including ours
The radio gear at Road was mostly OK, the solar controller melted to oblivion as did all the wiring
But battery solar panel, modem radio on pole all survived (but not radio on house)
Am looking at setting this up again, bought a replacement radio for house
And cable for power and Patch cord for going to radio on pole from modem in box beside roadside pillar

Living in Twizel currently till house is rebuilt, I'm going to really miss 900/450Mbps fibre and going back to 70/20 will be a bummer
4g is an option as my iphone gets 160/30 BUT unlimited BW is not easy on wireless, with all the trees gone the cell tower 26km away is now visible
VDSL will be more reliable so will probably head back down this road.
There is also talk of a 25m cellphone tower going up on section beside us, not overly keen on this as 'Rural scenic' council status with a great big tower sticking up not ideal
House will be 8 months at least away from being finished as there's nothing in the country including timber to build it, so will bide my time
But am set either way

I was toying with a local WISP here before going P2P, but they limit the speed to a crawl and not cheap, but reliable

But I'm all for P2P linking internet, its worked for me for years
I knew I could get pretty good speeds at the road, so was a no brainer at the time
450m from road side pillar to house up a hill, no sweat
Radio's are relatively cheap

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