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  #3017615 6-Jan-2023 07:36
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whats you want to do likely isnt going happen the way you want it to so i think its time you move on to working out how you can do it with whats on offer.




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  #3017670 6-Jan-2023 09:05
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Jase2985:

 

whats you want to do likely isnt going happen the way you want it to so i think its time you move on to working out how you can do it with whats on offer.

 

 

Or do all the hard work yourself, buy your own conduit etc and have enable just hook it up





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  #3017674 6-Jan-2023 09:18
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nztim:

 

Or do all the hard work yourself, buy your own conduit etc and have enable just hook it up

 

 

chorus were fine using my conduit but refused to use anything but their own ETP.




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  #3017706 6-Jan-2023 10:22
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For starters, those are threaded entries designed to be used with appropriate threaded couplers/adapters, glue etc. Chorus is lazy and doesn't use that stuff. The meter box is also already showing signs of rust and likely has paths for water egress out the bottom. 

 

Electrical is actually a lot less susceptible to water ingress as long as creepage/clearance are maintained. Everything is much thicker so corrosion is slower. 

 

 

So true. When we built our house in 2010, I was appalled at how lazy NZ builders are at doing everything at the bare minimum. I would say the term 'lazy' is an understatement. 

That electrical box has probably lasted over 50 years. Well within the guidelines of durability. Modern construct homes should last longer with materials like PVC that essentially never rots or corrodes. 

 

Jase2985:

 

whats you want to do likely isnt going happen the way you want it to so i think its time you move on to working out how you can do it with whats on offer.

 



You quoted in the 2nd post of this thread:

As for tacking to to a fence, as the old saying goes, if you want the job right you have to do it yourself. you may have to run the conduit yourself, and i wouldn't think there would be many fibre installers that would complain that someone has done most of their job for them.

 

 

 

The problem is 'what's on offer' is a moving target. Five years ago I had the ground opened up and trenched (for a separate driveway project) but Enable didn't care after repeated requests for them to just drop the conduit line. They also informed me they would NOT use any home owner supplied conduit if I dropped an empty one in the trench before concreting the driveway. Now, after a site visit some months ago Enable said they're willing to accept the home owner installation of standard 20mm PVC electrical conduit in the ground. 

 

I'm having the same level of communication with Enable in the same manner with sub-contractors in the building industry. (they really are slow are responding emails as i'm still waiting for a reply). Likewise with local CCC building regulations, it's always a moving target as what 1 compliance officer accepts, does not for another. Doing something different doesn't seem to work. Elevating to a higher building standard is not part of their mix as we see how houses are built in NZ. 

 

Why should I be kidding myself? At worse, this ETP box could be filled up with water? Why not drill holes in the bottom to facilitate venting? 


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  #3017709 6-Jan-2023 10:32
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You use conduit with a 20 mm internal diameter which is water pipe rather than electrical conduit which is specified by external diameter.





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  #3017712 6-Jan-2023 10:42
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SBQ:

 

Why should I be kidding myself? At worse, this ETP box could be filled up with water? Why not drill holes in the bottom to facilitate venting? 

 

 

If they say the cable exits from the bottom that's the rules 





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  #3017714 6-Jan-2023 10:42
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Jase2985:

 

nztim:

 

Or do all the hard work yourself, buy your own conduit etc and have enable just hook it up

 

 

chorus were fine using my conduit but refused to use anything but their own ETP.

 

 

I would say the reason for that is if your own ETP died, who would talk to for assistance? Would the place you bought it from send someone out to fix it? Chorus wouldn't touch it.
Conduit is a different story - they're only pulling the fibre line through that.


 
 
 
 

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  #3017717 6-Jan-2023 10:51
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dont like the rules dont get fibre. you play the hand you are dealt.

 

DIY everything you can and they will allow.


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I would say the reason for that is if your own ETP died, who would talk to for assistance? Would the place you bought it from send someone out to fix it? Chorus wouldn't touch it.
Conduit is a different story - they're only pulling the fibre line through that.

 

 

its a passive box it aint gonna die


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  #3017719 6-Jan-2023 10:55
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Jase2985:

 

dont like the rules dont get fibre. you play the hand you are dealt.

 

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This 





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  #3017749 6-Jan-2023 11:36
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Hi, and just happens to be I was visiting a mate over the past week and noticed this at his home. Note its a Chorus ETP where the top of the back box has full depth, I believe the Enable ETPs only have the bottom as full depth on the backbox the topbox carries the side and top sections, so unlikely you can have a top entry with an Enable ETP.

 

 

 

I am with the others I would just drill through the brick (through the grout not a block) and into the cavity between the brick veneer and the frame, no need to pucture the framing, ply or building paper there will be a 25-30mm gap between the brick and the ply/paper/frame, done it many times, just need to fish the cable down that gap from the ceiling cavity above, may need to remove roof tile/iron directly above to do it, job done.

 

Cyril

 

 

 


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  #3018012 6-Jan-2023 18:18
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Hi, and just happens to be I was visiting a mate over the past week and noticed this at his home. Note its a Chorus ETP where the top of the back box has full depth, I believe the Enable ETPs only have the bottom as full depth on the backbox the topbox carries the side and top sections, so unlikely you can have a top entry with an Enable ETP.

 

I am with the others I would just drill through the brick (through the grout not a block) and into the cavity between the brick veneer and the frame, no need to pucture the framing, ply or building paper there will be a 25-30mm gap between the brick and the ply/paper/frame, done it many times, just need to fish the cable down that gap from the ceiling cavity above, may need to remove roof tile/iron directly above to do it, job done.

 

Cyril

 

 

The Enable guy that came over to do site pre-op told me he was 100% certain they have a top exit ETP. But who knows? We can't be certain if everyone in the trade knows what they're talking about so i've asked to have their ETP box dropped off. 

 

Drilling hole in the brick motar is not the problem. I believe the design detail of our wall has a blocking at the top plate (just sitting above where the weep holes are for the top course of brick work). So it won't be possible (or easy) to just drop a fish line down the vented cavity. ETP placement i'm hoping just right of water tap, up through soffit: 

 


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  #3025270 21-Jan-2023 18:43
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Quick update, fibre guy came to do pre-site inspection and showed me the ETP they would use. Again with water tightness as a concern, i've purchased a couple of these for better fitting in the PVC conduit: 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-conduit-adaptor-with-lockring-20mm-2730b_p4330865

Uncertain of the zinc coated clips they use to secure the conduit.  





  #3025292 21-Jan-2023 20:11
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if your worried about the clips use the plastic ones, just more holes to drill in the brick work.

 

https://www.bunnings.co.nz/deta-20mm-grey-conduit-fittings-pvc-mounting-saddle-2-pack_p0235097

 

 


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I'm on Fibre Broadband!!  I learned a lot throughout the installation process and applaud that the local lines owners Enable had changed their policy to allow the home owner to do part of the installation. Throughout this process they had so many different workers for the job. The first initial visit to do site scope 1 guy who assess and books the connection date which was 2 weeks out (to give us time to finish the trenching). 

The next visit by Enable installer was to blow the fibre line through the conduit, however when she arrived there was not much that she could do as the connection at the footpath end was not done. I showed and explained that I have some concrete covering the area where the Enable marker post was. So she called in a different team to come later in the day. The 2 guys in their work truck had a large fibre spool on the back deck + all the 'civil team' tools. He used a long concrete drill bit, large enough so their black conduit could feed through and in the ground: 



hidden under the soil - where the conduit connects to:

 

Following is the ETP box (in original discussion of this thread), they used the plastic clips instead of their metal ones :) - I asked about water ingress protection and the installer said it's never been an issue because the fibre itself is not affected from water. 
 
As a matter of interest, the installers that blew the fibre line through to the ETP box purposely left extra fibre line as the next team (that came the next morning) would continue the installation inside the house. Next pic indeed I was lucky that they did not have to make any splice at the ETP. The ran the line continuous through to inside to my network cabinet! :) 



Inside the roof space, the installers were impressed that I fully installed the conduit - through the roof suffit, all the way to the network cabinet as normally they just but the end of the pipe to the suffit and feed their white cable conduit through. They didn't have to go into the roof atic space to see what i've done but were able to just hand feed the blue fibre cable through from the ETP end to inside (roughly 10 metres inside). I should mention there's a trick to get the sweeping bend to connect at the soffit end. 

 

Inside my network cabinet:



and the test report:

 

The distance from my house to the fibre cabinet was long than I assumed at around 250 metres of line blown. My ISP still has some touch ups to do with our Homeline as Spark has some errors to fix (moving ph# over + change of ph#). I can dial out but not receive incoming calls for the time being. 


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