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#331642 18-May-2010 22:27

freitasm: They should have used Geekzone...

Once fibre prices and international bandwidth get cheaper you can throw a few servers in the garage LOL.

Time to find a new industry!

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#331645 18-May-2010 22:32

Believe it or not, someone quite high up in an IT company once believed we were running Geekzone from home... Yes, that'd work - not.

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#331655 18-May-2010 22:46

freitasm: Believe it or not, someone quite high up in an IT company once believed we were running Geekzone from home... Yes, that'd work - not.

Well, sure.. you could've done that what, 10.. well, more like, 12-15 years ago.. but not now.

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#331726 19-May-2010 08:07

I remember when the internet much as we know it today started, Telecom had no idea what it was, X25 was just new to them then. All the ISPs except for what was in universities operated from Garages, or Lounges for those with no wife (or long since packed her bag) to nag at them.

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#331728 19-May-2010 08:08

Yes, that's how most of those things started...

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#331994 19-May-2010 21:44

cyril7: I remember when the internet much as we know it today started, Telecom had no idea what it was, X25 was just new to them then. All the ISPs except for what was in universities operated from Garages, or Lounges for those with no wife (or long since packed her bag) to nag at them.

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Those were the days alright.

When computers were only for Nerds.

If you said, Internet, to Joe Average they'd reply. "Inter what?"

Pacnet (X25) charging $200 per MByte for International Data.

Blazing fast 2400bps modems for $300 and then a whopping fast V32 9600 @ $800 each for the early adopters.

Telnet & Gopher over NZ's 128kbps International link. Only spiders had webs then.

18 years later and Joe Average is bitching that his 18Mbps DSL connection over the 295 gigabit/s SX Fibre is too slooow and that data blocks between $1-3 per GByte is toooo expensive!

Meanwhile milk, coffee, electricity, gasoline and everything else costs more for less.

Yet politicians & media somehow conclude that it's our slow Internet that is holding the country back from prosperity...... Bollocks!

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#332035 20-May-2010 07:00

I used to pay $8 per MB for internet usage when I first got access in the very early 90's

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#332079 20-May-2010 09:03

sbiddle: I used to pay $8 per MB for internet usage when I first got access in the very early 90's

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#332153 20-May-2010 10:16

I first started my internet experience on a 1200 baud external, dialing into CityNet.. Those were the days.

Then there was the days of Voyager, who chargted $8.95 an hour for dialup up.

Then Ihug introduced flat rate and were hailed as the great saviours of mankind..

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#332447 20-May-2010 16:32

freitasm: Believe it or not, someone quite high up in an IT company once believed we were running Geekzone from home... Yes, that'd work - not.

Works fine today in other countries though.

teletek:
18 years later and Joe Average is bitching that his 18Mbps DSL connection over the 295 gigabit/s SX Fibre is too slooow and that data blocks between $1-3 per GByte is toooo expensive!

Meanwhile milk, coffee, electricity, gasoline and everything else costs more for less.

Yet politicians & media somehow conclude that it's our slow Internet that is holding the country back from prosperity...... Bollocks!

Oh, so where is the magical point where it's fast enough at a certain point in time?* Would anyone have the right to complain if we had only 1Mbps connections today? Or would teletek still complain about the complainers, noting that we got by on 2600bps back in the day? BTW milk and coffee don't exactly make a country prosperous. New business opportunities and increased efficiency with fast internet however...

*Not to forget that the Government's initiatives are focused a decade into the future, looking for a robust and future proof national network - not "18Mbps in 2010 is too slow".

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#332468 20-May-2010 17:15

Screeb:
freitasm: Believe it or not, someone quite high up in an IT company once believed we were running Geekzone from home... Yes, that'd work - not.

Works fine today in other countries though.

teletek:
18 years later and Joe Average is bitching that his 18Mbps DSL connection over the 295 gigabit/s SX Fibre is too slooow and that data blocks between $1-3 per GByte is toooo expensive!

Meanwhile milk, coffee, electricity, gasoline and everything else costs more for less.

Yet politicians & media somehow conclude that it's our slow Internet that is holding the country back from prosperity...... Bollocks!

Oh, so where is the magical point where it's fast enough at a certain point in time?* Would anyone have the right to complain if we had only 1Mbps connections today? Or would teletek still complain about the complainers, noting that we got by on 2600bps back in the day? BTW milk and coffee don't exactly make a country prosperous. New business opportunities and increased efficiency with fast internet however...

*Not to forget that the Government's initiatives are focused a decade into the future, looking for a robust and future proof national network - not "18Mbps in 2010 is too slow".

Simple answer for you Screeb!

Bollocks!

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#332541 20-May-2010 19:25

My 2c, anyone who has lived through the drama of ripping up streets to let Telstra do their thing in the Kapiti/Wellington/ChCh region will know that digging in fibre to every home is not going to be a pleasant pill to swallow, hence I dont think you will see an easy move from the current focus on optimising copper to fibre for a little while yet, its just simple practicalities.

Reality is, the last km of cable upgrade (copper or fibre) is going to be messy and expensive, so get friendly with whatever copper options there are for the next few years, its simple reality.

As I say my 2c, feel free to disagree

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#332675 20-May-2010 22:27

cyril7: My 2c, anyone who has lived through the drama of ripping up streets to let Telstra do their thing in the Kapiti/Wellington/ChCh region will know that digging in fibre to every home is not going to be a pleasant pill to swallow

lets hope they throw in some regulation at the same time that says a street can only be dug up once every 10 years or so. Force everyone to work on the same street at once - power undergrounding, telco cable runs, gas companies, footpath replacement.

i cant believe the amount of direct money that gets wasted with the number of times some streets get dug up! not to mention the indirect losses as it affects business, traffic flows etc too

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#332684 20-May-2010 22:41

teletek:
Simple answer for you Screeb!

Bollocks!

Great argument. For the benefit of others, I'll translate that into Mature Adult English: "I don't have a real answer, because my point of view revolves around my biases and lack of imagination, not fact". That wasn't so hard now, was it?

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#333256 22-May-2010 13:13

From looking at p24 for the report, I think ISP12 and ISP2 are Xnet and Slingshot, because they have freedata periods at 1am and the chart has spikes at those times.

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