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#61526 18-May-2010 12:07
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The Commerce Commission has released its report on New Zealand broadband quality covering the period 1 July to 31 December 2009. The report examines the quality of broadband services provided by New Zealand’s internet service providers (ISPs). The report aims to provide a comparison of the optimal technical performance of ISPs in delivering broadband services in the major New Zealand cities.

“The focus of the report is on web browsing speeds because web browsing is the most common activity undertaken by internet users,” said Dr Patterson.

Since the beginning of 2009, the cities tested, Auckland, Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch and Dunedin, have shown an improvement in national web browsing speed. There has been a more significant improvement in international web browsing speed. The main reason for that improvement is the increased use by ISPs of caching techniques, which is the local storage of international content and therefore bringing content closer to end-users.

National web browsing speeds are good in Auckland but slow markedly the further away test sites are from Auckland. This decline in speed appears to be caused by ISPs generally locating key equipment in Auckland. Domain Name Server (DNS) response times increase further from Auckland, contributing to the slowing of web browsing speeds.

Web browsing speeds over the course of a day vary considerably among ISPs. Some ISPs are managing to keep their variation in web browsing speed within reasonable bounds while others have considerably slower speeds at peak times.

“The Commission’s intention with the report is that ISPs will be able to see their relative performance against their competitors in different locations and identify methods to improve that performance for the benefit of consumers,” said Dr Ross Patterson, Telecommunications Commissioner. “To help achieve this, the Commission has developed a range of what it considers achievable performance benchmarks to replace the index that had been used in previous reports.”

These benchmarks include web browsing speeds, variability of speed throughout the day and the availability of service. Performance against the benchmarks identifies considerable room for improvement.

The full report is available on the Commission’s website at www.comcom.govt.nz/broadband-reports






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  #331304 18-May-2010 12:20
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.. People are going to notice a difference because of 5-20ms difference in DNS requests?
ie, living in Wellington with your DNS server being in Auckland, etc.




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  #331325 18-May-2010 12:51
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Just a shame they don't understand fully how DOCSIS operates.

They mention in "Contention over last mile" that "All users on a route contend for the
total 10Mbps capacity"

This is incorrect. Up to 30Mbit/s is available for downstream on a typical data channel from the CMTS using DOCSIS2. The total number of customers this is shared between varies entirely on how the network is deployed. DOCSIS3 takes this a step further by allowing channel bonding.


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  #331346 18-May-2010 13:26
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This is incorrect. Up to 30Mbit/s is available for downstream on a typical data channel from the CMTS using DOCSIS2. The total number of customers this is shared between varies entirely on how the network is deployed. DOCSIS3 takes this a step further by allowing channel bonding.


Yes I noted that one, very odd they should make such a claim. Just one thing Steve, I understand that TCL uses a fast ethernet connection to uplink each CMTS, do you know if thats an uncontended 100Mb/s link or is its shared with several other CMTS's

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  #331360 18-May-2010 13:50
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I just read the herald article about this;
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"A global video production firm based in Dunedin, Natural History NZ, sends its video over broadband to broadcasters in the United States, Asia and Europe.

.......[snip]

Last night, he tested connection speeds and found that the company's 10 gigabits per second line was only getting 160 kilobits per second - less than one-sixtieth the speed paid for."

10Gbps? holy crap that is fast. Is this serious? I thought only universities on the KAREN network had access to those sort of speeds.

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  #331364 18-May-2010 13:56
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I don't see what this has to do with the broadband story, there's obviously a fault there that they should be following up with Telecom!

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  #331367 18-May-2010 14:00
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I don't see what this has to do with the broadband story, there's obviously a fault there that they should be following up with Telecom!


Agreed, a 10Gb/s fibre connection does not in anyway have anything todo with domestic grade BB connections that the CC report covers, although 160kb/s uplinks do I guess.

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  #331368 18-May-2010 14:03
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That claim sounds pretty bogus, for a start you can't effectively test a 10Gbit link from a single machine (as the single machines hard drive and lan won't be fast enough).  Also if they have a 10Gbit link it's most certainly being used for a ton of other stuff at the same time.

The ComCom report is even less useful than usual with the ISP's names removed too imo.

Also 5 months is a pretty big delay for this to be coming out (it measures the period Jul-Dec).




 
 
 

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  #331373 18-May-2010 14:12
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I just realised that he must mean he has a 10Mbps connection.

the article says that 160kbps is "less than 1/60 of the speed he pays for."

160kbps x 60 = 9.6Mbps, approximately 1/1000th the speed the article claims he has.


Yet again, more shockignly bad journalism from the Herald. (either they misquoted the guy, or simply have no idea what the difference between Mbps and Gbps is)

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  #331379 18-May-2010 14:18
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Ahhh, damn jounos again.

Should have known better

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  #331423 18-May-2010 15:45
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AirNZ only started peering last month?

"Browsing speed is affected by more factors than the ISP‟s network. The website being
browsed may have an upload speed limit less than the download speed of the tester or the type
of content may delay the process, or the website may be connected via an international link if
the ISP is not peered with other New Zealand ISPs. To eliminate these variables, the
Commission used a reliable website with ample capacity, connected to the peering network,
www.airnz.co.nz."

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#331425 18-May-2010 15:56
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They should have used Geekzone...




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  #331446 18-May-2010 16:27
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Too many overseas http requests for ad/tracking content/scripts/resources for a local test Foot in mouth

.. unless they used a subscriber account of course Wink

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  #331452 18-May-2010 16:38
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kyhwana2: .. People are going to notice a difference because of 5-20ms difference in DNS requests?
ie, living in Wellington with your DNS server being in Auckland, etc.



if you are in auckland, a request might go
-> DNS (5ms)
<- DNS (5ms)
-> Website (20ms)
<- Website (20ms)
total latency = 50ms

if you are in wellington, that same request might go
-> DNS (20ms)
<- DNS (20ms)
-> Website (20ms)
<- Website (20ms)
total latency = 80ms

that would slow down the initial request for a website (once the ip is cached locally, it wont do a dns trip again).  this would also compound when the website is full of ads from various hosts as you would get the latency for each other request too (unless they are all concurrent).

once you've arrived at a site, connected to all the ad servers etc, the DNS shouldnt get in the way any more... the subequent requests should be faster.

if you throw a remote proxy server in, however, then this would affect the time for the website to load.  if you accessed a local wellington website, you might be getting it served by a proxy cache basded in auckland....




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  #331464 18-May-2010 16:56
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Ragnor: Too many overseas http requests for ad/tracking content/scripts/resources for a local test Foot in mouth

.. unless they used a subscriber account of course Wink


Even considering international traffic you still need 53 requests to load airnz.co.nz but only 28 requests to load geekzone.co.nz...

Off topic, but we continue to reduce our "requirements" every day. For example you will see we no longer use Google Analytics on the client side, now using Pion on the server side. One less thing for your browser to load.

Always working on it ;)





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NonprayingMantis: I just realised that he must mean he has a 10Mbps connection.

the article says that 160kbps is "less than 1/60 of the speed he pays for."

160kbps x 60 = 9.6Mbps, approximately 1/1000th the speed the article claims he has.


Yet again, more shockignly bad journalism from the Herald. (either they misquoted the guy, or simply have no idea what the difference between Mbps and Gbps is)

Since they apparently believe they are paying for minimum speed then its still not residential-grade broadband. Also, I suspect that an upload would use FTP and has plenty of control traffic to make sure all the packets arrive intact. Even then, might be worth checking the MTU etc on the test machine and then ask the ISP for advice before complaining too much.

160kbps is suspicious though, that sounds like an old ADSL profile with 160kbps upstream. Its solved by changing to a plan with full speed upstream.




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