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#52450 15-Nov-2006 16:13

Don't flame Zipgunn - he's actually right about this.

Just think for a second: Go Large didn't exist before. It's a new product... maybe it's on a different part of the network? Xtra has had a lot of sign-ups/churn to Go Large, much more than they expected.

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#52454 15-Nov-2006 17:13

This makes me chuckle...

If you are a systems engineer you should know about or at least head of layer-7 or application layer filtering techniques - or are you a Windows sysadmin?
All the copper in the ground diddn't just break overnight, to repeat myself; It's the Go Large plan's "traffic management" or whatever that slows your speed - aswell as EVERYONE ELSE'S and you wouldn't have that problem if you had READ the friggin small print and understood that Go Large is for newbies who want their traffic shaped and slowed down. You have no place to complain about this if you understand paying extra (no pun intended) gets you full speed, un-raped Internet - there's no free lunch on Telecom.

Please quote the small print...sounds an interesting read.

Un-restricted internet? What about the customers? Are we restrict as well?

No free lunch at telecom? No, you pay for your free lunch, (pun intended)

You know, with all the 'unspoken' limitations, why would Xtra/Telecom even bother with this whole plan? Really they should call it for what it is......256K flat rate.
O wait, that was called jetstart-something shortly after the original jetstart 128K plans...I see now, Telecom is trying to go back to the olden days while telling me we are actually moving forward, blazing into the future with NO MORE LIMITS....bleh.

I'm over it. Whatever.

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#52458 15-Nov-2006 17:31

juha: Don't flame Zipgunn - he's actually right about this.

Just think for a second: Go Large didn't exist before. It's a new product... maybe it's on a different part of the network? Xtra has had a lot of sign-ups/churn to Go Large, much more than they expected.

Their entire consumer product range being increased to line speed downstream wouldn't help either...

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#52460 15-Nov-2006 17:36

cokemaster: Their entire consumer product range being increased to line speed downstream wouldn't help either...

Errm, what difference would that make? According to that theory, my TCL PDQ connection would suck. It doesn't. I live quite a distance from the exchange, yet I connect at high speeds and get more than acceptable performance at all times.

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#52461 15-Nov-2006 17:38

zippgunn:
Un-raped internet? What about the customers? Are we raped as well?

Why bring 'rape' into this discussion?

You know, with all the 'unspoken' limitations, why would Xtra/Telecom even bother with this whole plan?

I'm over it. Whatever.

I'm sure you're not over it because you keep coming back to force your view one last time...

Anyway it states quite clearly on the website that Traffic management applies, so I've quoted it for your benefit :

So if you are using the Go Large plan and run peer-to-peer applications during busy periods, we may manage the peer-to-peer and other 'non sensitive' traffic to limit the congestion it causes for other users.
Put another way, it means the majority of our customers - who want to surf the web or send email - will get priority.
Traffic management is an effective way of reducing congestion but it won't remove congestion from our network entirely. During busy periods, there are still heaps of people surfing the web and emailing, so you are still likely to see some reduced speeds.

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#52462 15-Nov-2006 17:39

Ah, but how do you know the traffic management is working at the momenet?

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#52464 15-Nov-2006 17:44

juha:
cokemaster: Their entire consumer product range being increased to line speed downstream wouldn't help either...

Errm, what difference would that make? According to that theory, my TCL PDQ connection would suck. It doesn't. I live quite a distance from the exchange, yet I connect at high speeds and get more than acceptable performance at all times.

You're telling me. My parents being behind the times have Xtra Go (1gb) plan. They are not on Go large.

They've actually noticed a decrease in performance since the new plans have come out.

The exchange they are connected to is rather small but I'd venture a guess and say its rather busy.

Then we have some geekzoners who are on TCL cable who have experienced slower international data...

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#52465 15-Nov-2006 17:47

cokemaster: You're telling me. My parents being behind the times have Xtra Go (1gb) plan. They are not on Go large.
They've actually noticed a decrease in performance since the new plans have come out.

The exchange they are connected to is rather small but I'd venture a guess and say its rather busy.

Then we have some geekzoners who are on TCL cable who have experienced slower international data...

But that's increased demand on the network which isn't dimensioned sufficiently to keep up with it. How would it then cope with increased number of customers and :::gasp::: ADSL2+?

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#52467 15-Nov-2006 18:25

the "r" word is unacceptable in these forums, find a different analogy...

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#52472 15-Nov-2006 19:09

tonyhughes: the "r" word is unacceptable in these forums, find a different analogy...

Sorry, I won't call traffic management r... anymore I'll think of a nicer word to describe what it does.

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#52475 15-Nov-2006 19:13

Sorry, I won't call traffic management rape anymore I'll think of a nicer word to describe what it does.

"Restrict" would be quite adequate, and I agree with Tony.

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#52478 15-Nov-2006 19:44

Can I also add that switching to another network won't neccesarily help since some other providers go through Telecoms (Xtra) Network so they are effectively slowing down the whole of NZ's broadband.

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#52487 15-Nov-2006 20:31

barf:
zippgunn: So you would rather imply that all your exchanges are suddenly having problems rather than the fact that you are capping the speeds?
We are all on different exhanges around town, speeds dropped as a DIRECT result of changing to GO LARGE, not because of the (beaten to death) excuse of contention, jees, try the other one.

If you are a systems engineer you should know about or at least head of layer-7 or application layer filtering techniques - or are you a Windows sysadmin?
All the copper in the ground diddn't just break overnight, to repeat myself; It's the Go Large plan's "traffic management" or whatever that slows your speed - aswell as EVERYONE ELSE'S and you wouldn't have that problem if you had READ the friggin small print and understood that Go Large is for newbies who want their traffic shaped and slowed down. You have no place to complain about this if you understand paying extra (no pun intended) gets you full speed, un-raped Internet - there's no free lunch on Telecom.

I'm a Windows Admin - 12 Years in the industry, Cisco experienced as wel, etc etc. I've also heard of Layer 7 filtering and have read the small print.

I also read the paper today, when the Commerce commission ruled against Telecom for offering faster, cheaper internet and misleading customers as they could not actually supply.

Did you know that Telecom decided to run all unleashed plans on Xtra's backbone as it was too quick a rollout to setup things correctly?

Do you realise that most countries DONT have speed contraints from the local exchange to the ISP - this is usually the EASY part, it's getting to the rest of the world which slows down.

Telecom have fiber to most of the exchanges in NZ - the question is why are they artifically restricting the bandwidth to broadband users? The smart ones will be able to answer this...

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#52489 15-Nov-2006 20:41

juha:
cokemaster: You're telling me. My parents being behind the times have Xtra Go (1gb) plan. They are not on Go large.
They've actually noticed a decrease in performance since the new plans have come out.

The exchange they are connected to is rather small but I'd venture a guess and say its rather busy.

Then we have some geekzoners who are on TCL cable who have experienced slower international data...

But that's increased demand on the network which isn't dimensioned sufficiently to keep up with it. How would it then cope with increased number of customers and :::gasp::: ADSL2+?

Speaking to a Telecom engineer today, and they have put off the ADSL2+ rollout (was meant to be last July) because they wanted to build a new backbone (I assume they looked at the current state of affairs, and said can't fix that - but thats my guess!)

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#52511 15-Nov-2006 22:12

'S meee again and I'm giddy with delight...

I changed provider this morning(actually ordered the change 2 days ago) and whatdaya know - same plans BTW.

Unrestricted - uncapped plan, cost $49.95 and no interleaving, no naughty pool and no artificial traffic shaping.

Suddenly I can urilize my full line speeds again, and I get the same international speeds as the Pro guys do.

The naught pool thingy... their implementation puts you in 56k speed till 12 that night if you go over the 700M limit and O, the ristricted time is only between 5pm and 12pm, ahahahahaha - suck that Xtra.

O and on top of that I don't have to use them for toll calls either....now thats what I call FAIR!!! Even great in the light of the recent past and the tickery Telecom and Xtra are up to.

Finally, my pings to BF2142 and other game servers (to Aussie) is now lower but even more importantly stabler. I have been testing this since 6pm and have had a solid session WITHOUT DROPOUTS (like the last week and a half).

Unleash THAT Xtra....you suck.

BTW, for the ppl interested I'm with Woosh (ADSL) now...ahahahahaha.

Can I also add that switching to another network won't neccesarily help since some other providers go through Telecoms (Xtra) Network so they are effectively slowing down the whole of NZ's broadband

In my case not a problem..

I'm literally hopping in my seat so glad am I, finally some real vindication.

Sweetness and cuddles to all you Xtra Grunts...ahahahahha

Suckers.

PS... ahahahahhaha

PPS..ahahahahahahha.

PPPS...

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