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#1687335 13-Dec-2016 20:53

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Behodar:

A bit of a grizzle on the Herald site today, if anyone's interested.

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WTF. we are funding grizzle "journalism" from NZ on Air now....

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#1687371 13-Dec-2016 21:22

johny99: Just watched the video clip on the herald site, got to love the lady complaining that her internet is so slow and that she is frustrated they do not have ufb, yet the Speedtest running on her machine showed a result of 27Mbps down.

Did you also see the upload result of 0.71Mbps?

And she was probably complaining about that as being a car dealership they would probably have a VPN link back to their main NZ office I guess. I have had to work with a sub 1Mbps VPN link and they are great fun to send medium and large files over... NOT!

Their internet must be a marginal/poor VDSL install with results like that.

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#1687428 13-Dec-2016 23:10

27 down is still more than a lot of people can get.

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#1687580 14-Dec-2016 10:11

UFB fibre for Wairoa???

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#1691698 18-Dec-2016 12:01

Looks like 27 Mbit at 1:30 and 28+ Mbit at 1:44 into the video.

If the upload speed is poor then probably on VDSL but still well above a lot of people's current speed.

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#1691724 18-Dec-2016 12:57

27/28 is over twice my download speed and I'm stuck on about 12Mbps until probably sometime next decade, as quite a few will be also. It's not so much the download we need but some lift in upload to make things a bit more responsive in general.

So for those of you, like me, waiting for UFB2 announcement then you should take some patience medication. Yes we were told end of November but as I hear, it won't be this year. It might not be before mid Feb 2017 or as late as March 2017. So I'm looking at March 2017 and, if it comes today, tomorrow or early January it will be a bonus. Some delay may result possibly due to the cabinet reshuffle announced today, who knows.

But if it's March 2017 then those who are winners will only have to wait between 2 and 5+ years to be connected to fibre...

We can wait that long... can't we?

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#1691778 18-Dec-2016 16:24

cynnicallemon:

27/28 is over twice my download speed and I'm stuck on about 12Mbps until probably sometime next decade, as quite a few will be also. It's not so much the download we need but some lift in upload to make things a bit more responsive in general.

So for those of you, like me, waiting for UFB2 announcement then you should take some patience medication. Yes we were told end of November but as I hear, it won't be this year. It might not be before mid Feb 2017 or as late as March 2017. So I'm looking at March 2017 and, if it comes today, tomorrow or early January it will be a bonus. Some delay may result possibly due to the cabinet reshuffle announced today, who knows.

But if it's March 2017 then those who are winners will only have to wait between 2 and 5+ years to be connected to fibre...

We can wait that long... can't we?

I'm stuck with close enough the same speeds, No Fibre rollout as it stands currently.

Wireless is not an option as realistically the towers would be unfairly congested, So i have multiple balanced adsl connections.

There are always options, it just depends on what you choose to do.

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#1691788 18-Dec-2016 17:25

hio77:

Wireless is not an option as realistically the towers would be unfairly congested, So i have multiple balanced adsl connections.

There are always options, it just depends on what you choose to do.

Always options as you say. I could go for dual ADSL but that's not currently possible as the incoming cable is one of the old single pair yellow/black type about 45 years old. I have been messing about with Skinny wireless and some homemade 12dB double biquad antennas - why homemade? Cause I can...

Disadvantage with wireless is, as you say, variable speeds due to congestion at a given time. you can do a speedtest which can yield 60/40Mbps then do another which gives 5/20 like what I experienced yesterday. Also the cost, taking into account data usage from the last years ADSL stats, I could be paying $250+ some months - can't afford that. If Skinny did a 500GB plan for say $150 then I guess I'd jump at it. Let's face it, wireless is good but not really for high usage and/or serious users.

Guess I will stick with ADSL complete with the old incoming cable which has a several 90 degree bends and one 180 degree bend with less than a one inch radius in it... until fibre arrives or I win lotto and can dish out $70,000 to fast track it :)

Any reason why you chose spark for your dual ADSL setup? You cant, IIRC, use Annex M with Spark. Before I left Orcon, Annex M was giving me about 1.4Mbps up on a single connection so I guess a dual connection would give you close to 3Mbps up, all things being equal.

Currently with Bigpipe but the 12dB SNR limit and no Annex M is a limiting factor for me so I might have to get off of Chorus gear to get the extra up/down speeds back. Will be a shame to leave Bigpipe as their support is great and have had no complaints about the service in general.

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#1691791 18-Dec-2016 17:35

cynnicallemon:

Any reason why you chose spark for your dual ADSL setup? You cant, IIRC, use Annex M with Spark. Before I left Orcon, Annex M was giving me about 1.4Mbps up on a single connection so I guess a dual connection would give you close to 3Mbps up, all things being equal.

Currently with Bigpipe but the 12dB SNR limit and no Annex M is a limiting factor for me so I might have to get off of Chorus gear to get the extra up/down speeds back. Will be a shame to leave Bigpipe as their support is great and have had no complaints about the service in general.

i'm cabinet fed, so Annex M would be a nogo regardless (Although i don't think there are any ULLC gear in my exchange anyway)

I have just shy of 2mbit to play with upstream realworld throughput.

For me, i load-balance rather than bonded (I would opt for bonded, but one of the connections is under reign of contracts with that horrible sky thing...)

On my setup, it works perfectly. I have only come across One case where it did not work out well and that was a very old game that bounced around a ton.. so sticky had no benefit there.

The upside of being multihomed is, in the event of congestion, i can effectively ruleout certain points.. and if an ISP has issues (eg one of my RSPs started routing 8.8.8.8 to US on saturday morning) then i can just selectively pump it elsewhere.

I may put up a 3G/4G based option as another means of transit, Although i'd have to be careful with that since i'm already breaking what i would see as anywhere near reasonable for a wireless connection to be fair.

Watch the space, with adsl getting DLM, i will be interested to see if Chorus start allowing lower snr rates.

Lastly, crosstalk between peers is actually interesting. I Tweak down my second line to reduce the snr hit by about 2dB across the other link, this is due to the fact that the DSLAM will start pulling the power level down lower.

I do have another project on the back-burner which will allow VDSL connectivity here, depending on how that works out worse case might jump to 4 adsl links.

Oh also, watch the UFB space. There are some interesting changes coming out soon which could be an indication of massive potential for growth outside of the current LFC buildouts.

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#1694309 23-Dec-2016 12:25

Just for peoples information, the new Minister of Communications appears to be Simon Bridges.

I have just emailed him asking when we will get the announcement on UFB2. I guess the reply will be the bog standard "soon" but we will see...

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#1694382 23-Dec-2016 15:54

cynnicallemon:

Just for peoples information, the new Minister of Communications appears to be Simon Bridges.

I have just emailed him asking when we will get the announcement on UFB2. I guess the reply will be the bog standard "soon" but we will see...

I guess it will be the same as I received from the previous minister...

BTW our local paper had an article on it today, noting a local cabinet near Clyde has just been upgraded from ADSl to VDSL.....!!!..You know get on in there and upgrade to VDSl its SO Great Blah .I dont see why they would spend the $$$$ if fibre is to be expanded in the area... we have two new subdivisions here in Alex that show naturally as being fibre....

The article had the usual platitudes of thought an announcement was due before THIS Christmas (not the last one as said before) and how the council is pushing for UFB2 etc...alot of so called "doings" but no action...its getting to be a bit of a pain in the butt waiting for over a year now for the Govt/Chorus to get on with installing fibre locally....

NOTE we have the tourism rush on now...lots of camper vans and tourists about... all who should be able to expect to get UFB connections for videos/video bloggs etc....

Rgds......Laurie

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#1694440 23-Dec-2016 18:57

New subdivisions will always be fibre. Why would they waste the money on installing copper?

It is a bad assumption to make in that, just because a new division gets fibre, everyone should have it. That is the best time to get the new network all rolled out.

I disagree that UFB is required for tourists, Personally when i go around places i'll generally pickup a local sim. Outside of NZ, 95% of the time that has offered me both a lack of filtering on my connection and faster speeds.

UFB2 will come around, but remember if it is chorus doing the UFB2 rollout, they still need to finish their rollout first. Otherwise they will be splitting their resources even more.

For Slow ADSL, or cabinets which aren't upgraded, Lodge slow speed tickets with your ISP, they will put it through to chorus which is a metric chorus use for rating where they spend on RBI Upgrades next.

Marketing can stand up and say, we are doing UFB2 from X Date, but realistically all that will do is cause more stress on the system.

If i was you, I would look into the likes of Unison, they arent a CFH provider, They now do offer UFB in their coverage. Maybe your local will take up that example and also do it.
Personally, this route is my preferred move for rural areas. Likely the local lines company will be doing upgrades at some point, lay fibre while they are at it and two birds with one stone. It's simply about that seed being picked up and ran with.

Don't think i'm against the idea of getting fibre, I agree. I would love fibre out here, just short of VDSL range by the length of the driveway - That's Rural life though.

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#1694460 23-Dec-2016 21:11

LWJCarroll:

NOTE we have the tourism rush on now...lots of camper vans and tourists about... all who should be able to expect to get UFB connections for videos/video bloggs etc....

I imagine that most of them will be doing it from their cellphones, so mobile coverage would be more important than fibre. Even if they are uploading from a computer, VDSL should be fine (although I do concur that fibre is faster, I can't see it being installed somewhere purely on the basis of "tourists might use it").

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#1695191 26-Dec-2016 17:06

hio77:

DarkShadow: Hope we get 90%+ coverage.

but if its 90% and i'm not covered hows that fair! - Literally waiting for the post...

Its fair because you can move to a town that has UFB without needing the rest of NZ consumers to compensate you.

Time to find a new industry!

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#1695224 26-Dec-2016 17:47

webwat:

hio77:

DarkShadow: Hope we get 90%+ coverage.

but if its 90% and i'm not covered hows that fair! - Literally waiting for the post...

Its fair because you can move to a town that has UFB without needing the rest of NZ consumers to compensate you.

On the other hand... Every tax payer is subsidising the big cities/towns that have been getting first cut at the UFB fibre cherry. :-)

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