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#2135185 27-Nov-2018 12:24

Chorusnz:
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Partly understood, however, the fence that the cable has been tacked onto, as illustrated with the white line, belongs to both the front house (blue), and middle house (red), however, the cable supplies middle (red) and rear houses (green), thus, shouldn't the front house have to have been asked permission/consent for their boundary fence to be used in this install?

I know for fact that I got nothing in regards to the positioning or consent for cable run up the driveway portion of the install, just the trenching into my yard, plus the method to install the ONT internally. Curious about the process here..

In this instance: as the side of the fence we attached the Fibre to faces a driveway you don't use/control, we don’t need permission from you to install the cable there. If it happened that you also used that driveway for access then we would.

The only consents you would have received (regarding the trenching and install of the ONT) would have been specific to your Fibre connection as a single dwelling unit (aka. a standard install)

This is because from a consents point of view, what we have here is one property (Red and Green) as a Right of way and one property (blue) as a single dwelling unit. These have quite different consenting requirements/processes. ^Richard

May be slightly confused a little here, my property is the middle (red) property, so definitely used and covered under my property title and thus subject to my consent, yes?

Never the less, what are my rights around either getting this trenched, or moved to a more suitable location (eg not on a fence that is due to be replaced)?

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#2135225 27-Nov-2018 13:12

evilonenz:

May be slightly confused a little here, my property is the middle (red) property, so definitely used and covered under my property title and thus subject to my consent, yes?

Never the less, what are my rights around either getting this trenched, or moved to a more suitable location (eg not on a fence that is due to be replaced)?

I was recently asked to give consent not only for work on a shared driveway we didn't use (but could access by foot from our property), but also for the proposed work on the units behind us that are completely separate. It may come down to the legal description of the property, but the rules seem to be applied somewhat inconsistently. If the fence is on a shared title, I don't see why it should matter if the building behind is a house or a block of flats. I also don't see why the legal description should make one bit of difference either. It's sloppy work, and such methods of installation should not be permitted, period.

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#2135231 27-Nov-2018 13:20

SirHumphreyAppleby:

evilonenz:

May be slightly confused a little here, my property is the middle (red) property, so definitely used and covered under my property title and thus subject to my consent, yes?

Never the less, what are my rights around either getting this trenched, or moved to a more suitable location (eg not on a fence that is due to be replaced)?

I was recently asked to give consent not only for work on a shared driveway we didn't use (but could access by foot from our property), but also for the proposed work on the units behind us that are completely separate. It may come down to the legal description of the property, but the rules seem to be applied somewhat inconsistently. If the fence is on a shared title, I don't see why it should matter if the building behind is a house or a block of flats. I also don't see why the legal description should make one bit of difference either. It's sloppy work, and such methods of installation should not be permitted, period.

Totally agree. i've heard of people having to jump through consent after consent, and it didn't even impact their property in the slightest. I know that the consent stage is opt in by default now, however, I'm still under the impression you're supposed to get notified, and have 28 (?) days to reply and/or object to the build plans, which I would have done, if I had've known it was going to be tacked to my fence.

Really interested to find out if there is any action that they (Chorus) will be happy to take in these situations, or if the property owner/s are forced to suck it up, and get it sorted themselves, which, I don't think will be overly ideal, as most people would just bury the ruggedised fibre without conduit, and leave it at that. Not overly keen on that, even if the area it will be buried isn't used for any type of traffic, walking or otherwise.

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#2135232 27-Nov-2018 13:21

My partner owns a rental property that is on a cross lease in West Auckland. One of the other properties had fibre installed and at the same time Chorus nailed a cable to the private driveway fence of her property. The fence probably will need to be replaced in 5 years - its getting a bit rotten in places.

Anyway the cable isn't connected and no services were ordered at her house. I will tell her not to allow them to use that cable. If Chorus want to provide fibre there then they will need to put it under the driveway. The house would be from the 90s. Was there no Conduit used in those days or were the installers just to lazy to use it?

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#2135239 27-Nov-2018 13:26

Zeon:

My partner owns a rental property that is on a cross lease in West Auckland. One of the other properties had fibre installed and at the same time Chorus nailed a cable to the private driveway fence of her property. The fence probably will need to be replaced in 5 years - its getting a bit rotten in places.

Anyway the cable isn't connected and no services were ordered at her house. I will tell her not to allow them to use that cable. If Chorus want to provide fibre there then they will need to put it under the driveway. The house would be from the 90s. Was there no Conduit used in those days or were the installers just to lazy to use it?

Far to common to have it done unknowingly. I don't know how the conversation with them will go refusing to let them use that existing cable, though. I know the installers who completed mine were ready to walk off when I said I didn't want it used due to the location of it, hence the situation I'm in now.

Depends with conduit, I've seen some mid to late 90s houses with it, some without. Mine is a 50s build, but renovated in mid 2000s, so plenty of conduit down the back side of the property, which Chorus decided they wouldn't use, and used a fence instead, go figure.

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#2135242 27-Nov-2018 13:40

evilonenz:

May be slightly confused a little here, my property is the middle (red) property, so definitely used and covered under my property title and thus subject to my consent, yes?

Never the less, what are my rights around either getting this trenched, or moved to a more suitable location (eg not on a fence that is due to be replaced)?

My humble apologies, I’ve committed the cardinal sin of assumption.

If you are the property owner for the address in red then a consents pack should have been provided that details the full design plan. Could you send us a private message with your full address? I would like to look into that in more depth.

With regards to having the network moved, we would be more than happy to perform a move of network at cost.

Alternatively, you are within your rights to move the network yourself. Just be aware that if this causes damage to the cable necessitating a technician callout, this will incur a charge. ^Richard

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#2135245 27-Nov-2018 13:48

So what happens when I want to build a new fence?

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#2135262 27-Nov-2018 14:28

rainytrees: So what happens when I want to build a new fence?

Trench the cable yourself and be careful not to damage it. Or make sure the fella doing it is careful and aware of it. Either that or get Chorus to do it, but per above they'll probably sent you bill.

I remember someone had a tradie cut their line accidentally while doing something else. Owner copped the bill by chorus to get a tech to fix it.

This whole trend really comes down to getting the installs done or not. The business around installing fibre is driving the 'do it now, quick or drop it' experience that people are getting. For people wanting the installs, if things get too complicated as explained above the installers will walk off the job and the order gets cancelled. So they opt to just 'get it done'.

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#2135278 27-Nov-2018 14:49

SpartanVXL:
rainytrees: So what happens when I want to build a new fence?
Trench the cable yourself and be careful not to damage it. Or make sure the fella doing it is careful and aware of it. Either that or get Chorus to do it, but per above they'll probably sent you bill. I remember someone had a tradie cut their line accidentally while doing something else. Owner copped the bill by chorus to get a tech to fix it. This whole trend really comes down to getting the installs done or not. The business around installing fibre is driving the 'do it now, quick or drop it' experience that people are getting. For people wanting the installs, if things get too complicated as explained above the installers will walk off the job and the order gets cancelled. So they opt to just 'get it done'.

I've seen a friends fibre install down his fence gone through with a saber saw, really not a good thing to happen!

Depending on how much Chorus are going to charge me to 'move' it, I'll probably just end up trenching it myself in my case.

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#2135320 27-Nov-2018 15:32

Using a fence can be problematic in terms of who actually owns it and as to whether it is actually on the boundary or not. Not all fences that are dividing property are boundary fences, as some may be slightly on one persons property and not on the boundary, so paid for by by a single property owner, so may not be strictly a boundary fence. We have a couple of fences like that. IMO it isn't really a good longterm install method for key infrastructure. But it looks like it comes down to minimizing costs initially. But in the long run when a fence has to be replaced or damage occurs, it will need work. So it is sort of shifting the cost to the future, and potentially a good future revenue stream in keeping these lines all maintained..

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#2135488 27-Nov-2018 20:25

This is starting to seem like a good money-making scheme. They should have seen that the fence is old and would need replacing in the near future. The way they've mounted it on the fence has the wire going between the fence post and the fence then into the ground at both ends which means I won't be able to take it off myself. So if I need it off I'm going to have to pay someone. Strange how they didn't need my permission because I don't use that driveway but the fence is more important to me than the people down the driveway as it is keeping my dog inside my property and has little to no effect on them and I will be sharing the cost to pay for the new fence which now has an added price to get the wire removed.

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#2135666 28-Nov-2018 09:03

Chorusnz:

Unless there is a strong indication onsite when we complete the scoping assessment that the fence is clearly set back one of the owner’s properties then we treat it as a boundary fence.

If you made that assumption with our fence you would be 100% incorrect. When the footpath was poured the contractors removed a boundary peg, so there is no "strong indication", but our fence is 400mm on our side - presumably due to an assumption by whoever built it.

Therefore your installers would (on the basis of an invalid assumption) enter private property and damaged/modified private property.

Surely the onus is on the installers to pro-actively identify (not assume) who owns a structure before interfering with it, rather than assume?

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