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#581304 14-Feb-2012 13:23

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kyhwana2:
I was implying that ISPs would be unwilling to or would charge a lot extra for more than 1 v4 IP.
In the case of the new Compass unlimited DSL plans, they don't even give you one (1) public v4! (And I somehow doubt that compass are even doing ipv6 to dsl customers, which makes it even worse!)

Can you confirm that again - Compass natting people on their unlimited plans?

I nat everyone but am about to start offering a v4 address for my customers who game and need to port forward but on a per-request method only.
Have been debating the need to charge for it at $5 per month because it just cost $7,000 to get 1024 addresses from apnic - and thats my limit. They wont give me any more. Then its going to cost ~$2,000 a year to keep them.

IPv4 addresses are not going to be cheap for long.

http://www.compass.net.nz/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=181

"Applications or services that require a real world IP address will not be supported on Compass unlimited data plans."

They also say you can't get a static on that plan. I've asked someone from compass over at gpforums a few times and gotten brushed off, so i'm just going to assume that this is the case.

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#581306 14-Feb-2012 13:24

kyhwana2:
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Personally I'm not in favor of IPv6 its too new and right at this moment is not required we wont see any real movement with IPv6 until there is a real shortage of IPv4....

Wat. IPv6 is over a decade old at this point. And ask Compass why their new unlimited DSL plan is CG-NATed.

/me sigh. Yes but it's not commonplace. Let's see how many under 50 user companies have implemented it at this point (and NZ is largely made up of companies with 50 or fewer users)? Tablets were around for 10 years too, but look at what happened last year?

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#581309 14-Feb-2012 13:27

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/me sigh. Yes but it's not commonplace. Let's see how many under 50 user companies have implemented it at this point (and NZ is largely made up of companies with 50 or fewer users)? Tablets were around for 10 years too, but look at what happened last year?

Define "50 user companies". In any case, geekzone does v6 now. ;)

Also see http://www.worldipv6launch.org/

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#581314 14-Feb-2012 13:32

kyhwana2:
networkn:
/me sigh. Yes but it's not commonplace. Let's see how many under 50 user companies have implemented it at this point (and NZ is largely made up of companies with 50 or fewer users)? Tablets were around for 10 years too, but look at what happened last year?

Define "50 user companies". In any case, geekzone does v6 now. ;)

Also see http://www.worldipv6launch.org/

Any companies with 50 or less employees.

What I am trying to say, is that getting exasperated at someone for saying IPv6 is new isn't really fair because in reality, in widespread implementation IS actually fairly new.

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#581317 14-Feb-2012 13:43

CG NAT is the reason we need IPv6. I just hope they dont alocate the IP addresses stupidly this time.

Seriously why does CPIT need a /16? Just like why does IBM need a /8?

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#581318 14-Feb-2012 13:43

networkn:

NZ has it pretty good. I do not know of many countries in the world where you get can 70/10Mbit with 150GB of data for $150

Haha that is hosting direct though. I'm not sure of many countries who have ISPs with as amazing and bizarre stories as HD lol

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#581330 14-Feb-2012 13:50

How about 50/50 150gb $99 :P

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#581332 14-Feb-2012 13:51

Well I was recently at a IT conference in LA. Whilst there I amazed 100 people in a discussion group saying I had 70/10Mbit at home for $150. Speeds tend to be slower overseas, esp residential, but the caps tend to be MUCH higher and the prices tend to be lower. Personally I'd rather pay more and get more, but I'm in the vast minority. I'd really like to see some larger caps too, but then I would consider myself a power user, and perhaps in reality a small number of people need 100GB as a starting point.

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#581333 14-Feb-2012 13:52

Beccara: How about 50/50 150gb $99 :P

Not a fair comparison because presently only 11 people in NZ can get that :) (Sorry to the 1 guy from that 11 who frequents this forum :) ))

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#581348 14-Feb-2012 14:07

It's not likely the place for this, but can a router have BOTH an IPV6 Public IP and a V4? I know you can ping by hostname, but one of the things that amazes me is that the IPV6 Format would be damn hard to remember and tedious to input. Will it be a case of assigning a IPV6 address into a A record the way we do now with an ipv6? smtp.domain.co.nz blah:blah:blah:blah.

Will it be that all NZ addresses will be NZBLAH:NZBLAH.*.* or will be it be entirely random?

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#581367 14-Feb-2012 14:40

networkn: It's not likely the place for this, but can a router have BOTH an IPV6 Public IP and a V4? I know you can ping by hostname, but one of the things that amazes me is that the IPV6 Format would be damn hard to remember and tedious to input. Will it be a case of assigning a IPV6 address into a A record the way we do now with an ipv6? smtp.domain.co.nz blah:blah:blah:blah.

Will it be that all NZ addresses will be NZBLAH:NZBLAH.*.* or will be it be entirely random?

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Routers can have both ipv6 and v4 addresses. DNS Simply converts name to IP so all you need is the domain name.

Also allocations to NZ i believe are just random as assigned by APNIC similar to IPv4

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#581399 14-Feb-2012 15:41

Very dissapointing to see pricey 100mb/s plans, and pricey data (heck data caps full stop!)

You'd think a decade after other countries had uncapped, unmanaged, unthrottled broadband at a sub USD$50 price point, we'd be able to pull finger and achieve the same thing, but no, I guess it will be another decade or two.

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#581401 14-Feb-2012 15:44

Which countries are you talking about because if its the USA then they are moving BACK to data caps

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#581403 14-Feb-2012 15:45

Lias: Very dissapointing to see pricey 100mb/s plans, and pricey data (heck data caps full stop!)

You'd think a decade after other countries had uncapped, unmanaged, unthrottled broadband at a sub USD$50 price point, we'd be able to pull finger and achieve the same thing, but no, I guess it will be another decade or two.

I'd like to see evidence of this sub $50 plan in a country our size or even twice our size?

Secondly the 100Mbit plans are NOT expensive. That is just not the case.

What speeds, caps and payments are your home and business on now?

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#581556 14-Feb-2012 21:11

networkn:
Lias: Very dissapointing to see pricey 100mb/s plans, and pricey data (heck data caps full stop!)

You'd think a decade after other countries had uncapped, unmanaged, unthrottled broadband at a sub USD$50 price point, we'd be able to pull finger and achieve the same thing, but no, I guess it will be another decade or two.

I'd like to see evidence of this sub $50 plan in a country our size or even twice our size?

Secondly the 100Mbit plans are NOT expensive. That is just not the case.

What speeds, caps and payments are your home and business on now?

Not to speak for Lias, but Finland is an obvious example (population only 1m more than NZ).

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=135&topicid=91824

The ethernet connection they received in about a week was the basic, "naked" broadband. It's available for the same 39.90e/month but why would you buy it when you can get the extra services for free.. 10/10 over the fiber would be 29.90e/month so they are also trying to get people pay a little more for 10x the speed.

A typical DSL costs from 23.90 to 29.90e/month (41-52 NZD/month), ADSL2+ is everywhere. If you want cheaper for random use, you go mobile -- from 4.90e/month (8.5 NZD). All are uncapped and unlimited, you pay for the speed if anything. In the fiber domain the telcos have priced the 10/10 or 25/10 to be similar to the DSL (to keep regulator happy?) but the premium for 100/10 is quite small. 100/100 is a bit more expensive.

(note: NZD converted prices are out of date - the NZD values are now about 8% lower)

I know people are going to jump all over this and say "you can't compare it, Finland is in Europe, we're in the middle of nowhere! etc" but that's not what networkn asked for.

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