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#432995 31-Jan-2011 00:12

snnet: Are you all who are against this not reading the posts from people who have actually been physically involved in these fibre rolllouts? Maverick has already said multiple times that it is in pilot stage which is ending soon and will be open to other providers willing to compete.

FYI in regards to extra set up costs, all of the installations I've done with fibre have had the fibre install paid for by the building company. Of course this is factored in when a quote is given to the client but there was no extra cost after this quotation. (Noting here that the developer is not always the first (in fact rarely) builder/company that purchases certain plots)

I doubt they would have been offered a deal for putting in fibre at all. Although we're seeing contradictions from others on here, the majority of the Chorus new subdivision installations are fibre-only for subdivisions with more than 150 plots.

I've only actually read on here where people haven't been aware their plot is in a fibre only subdivision- so yes I guess like most other information there is some missing for some people. Most however are aware of what is going on.

Will be interesting to see how this pilot differs from the CFH sponsored installations, which hopfully will be deployed better and benefit from experience of pilots and other fibre rollouts like this. Perhaps we will see some of them being home-run networks to support more choice of point-to-point options.

Cost of fibre is coming down and things like pre-connectorised fibre give really efficient installation options now, it might even be cheaper than copper overall. So why not install the better technology once issues like how to properly wholesale and provision triple-play services have been sorted out, including the 111 "SOS" function that's more challenging over fibre. Its not new technology anymore and PON is already moving towards its 3rd generation of 10 Gig, with 2nd generation Gigabit PONs quite established around the world using a variety of different business models and topologies. It's only new in NZ because we have stayed on copper for so long, blame it on Kiwishare or whatever.

I have some questions: is Telecom now installing outdoor ONTs requiring the 3 Cat5e cables to the ETP specified on their website, or indoor ONTs as shown in their picture? What voltage is the power supply output, and are batteries subject to automatic testing? And wasn't Telecom planning to have VoIP handovers in the exchanges already?

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#432999 31-Jan-2011 01:23

richms: Any cases of them being upheld? I know of someone who plainly ignored the cladding requirements on a place, got past council ok.

the council probably won't care unless they were the ones who required the covenant in the first place. its the neighbours in the subdivision who all have the same covenants, or who would be affected by the covenants, who will probably be the ones likely to take it further.

this link is a case where a covenant on subdivision was upheld. this one stood out because it was a seriously wealthy person who was the developer at the losing end of it. it also stood out because the developer ditched the subdivision idea and built a pig farm, which was not covenanted against, instead - probably to piss off the neighbours

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#433034 31-Jan-2011 08:39

ewww a pig farm, that would piss the neighbours off.

As for the fibre pilots - I would love to be in one of these subdivisions. I have done a few jobs out in the Flat Bush fibre areas and their broadband performance is great. None of them mention issues with their phones either.

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#433996 1-Feb-2011 22:48

Interesting comments last couple of pages. Only noteworthy bit I'd add is that nah, a lawyer would cost too much to bother getting one for this. I've wasted < $500 due to them not telling me things, so maybe a Disputes Tribunal hearing or similar would work if they don't compensate me in the first instance. If I ran a small business or something from home where I relied on the phone/Internet quite heavily, I'd probably be seeking bigger figures.

Sparkie's almost finished, just needs to get in another patch module; there are 10 cables going to sockets around house, yet they installed a module that can only take 8, but it's functional (apart from the two points that haven't been wired in yet).

Hills Home Hub housing:

Inside right now is a telephone patch module, data/patch module, patch cables, a Belkin router (my own doing, was wondering for a while why my computers couldn't talk to each other, but then I put this in), a box as a stand so router doesn't dangle in mid-air, and then a single power point:

The above only shows 3 cables that are running to the RJ45 jacks throughout the house, but that's good enough for now. At some point, I will need a bigger switch/router/hub to connect all the jacks in the house. The Hills company has an 8-port switch that fits the housing snugly but it's only rated 100Mbps and I'd want more juice than that!

Telephone module up close:

The very left side of the module with the four colours is where the outside/brick-protruding Ethernet cable connects to.

Here's the data/patch module:

Again, the gray cables are Ethernet, and the yellow ones are as well but they go down to the router/switch. (sorry if this seems like common knowledge to some; this is new and cool to me so thought I'd share)

So after this got done, I rang WorldxChange and set up my account and got things rolling with them. Chorus should be contacting me in the next few days to arrange a time to come out and hopefully lay the fibre, or figure out the next step is at least.

Now, if I understand this correctly, when WorldxChange's Linksys/Cisco WRP400 modem/router gets installed, there will be one Ethernet cable running from the top telephone module to the WRP400's Internet RJ45 port?

Then I can either use up the 4 available Ethernet RJ45 ports on the back of the WRP400 to get 4 jacks in the house working, or I can get a big switch and just run 1 Ethernet cable from the WRP400 to the switch, and then 10 Ethernet cables to patch the switch and data module together? And will have a fun time doing this with only 1 power point in there

Long as things get installed up high, should be able to run a multi-power socket strip off the single power point just fine.

Progress, anyhow.

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#434043 2-Feb-2011 02:21

"Now, if I understand this correctly, when WorldxChange's Linksys/Cisco WRP400 modem/router gets installed, there will be one Ethernet cable running from the top telephone module to the WRP400's Internet RJ45 port?

No quite Chris, there will be a ethernet cable from the ONT to the WRP 400's WAN port, the 4 switch poprts are for where ever you want to patch them, same applies fr the Phone port on the WRP400 up to you where you want the Phone line,

This docu has a example layout
http://www.brightspark.org.nz/f450,133977/133977_Fibre_at_home_May_2010.pdf

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#434049 2-Feb-2011 06:23

Just to be slightly picky it looks like the installer has untwisted all the cat5e cable before punching it down on the block.

Ideally the pairs should be twisted right to the block which will help prevent any crosstalk issues. It's unlikey to cause any issues, this is more for anybody looking at this in future for help on DIY wiring!

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#434051 2-Feb-2011 06:33

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#434061 2-Feb-2011 08:00

Ideally the pairs should be twisted right to the block which will help prevent any crosstalk issues. It's unlikey to cause any issues, this is more for anybody looking at this in future for help on DIY wiring!

Yes this shows that a data wiring trained person has not installed this, not that that be an issue, but it would be good if they adhered to the rules.

I should also point out that to untwist the pairs effects return loss (impedance match) more than cross talk. By untwisting the pairs the pair wires seperate (ie the twist holds them tight together) which means the impedance of the cable at that point increases, this is the primary reason for maintaining twist. There is no reason to untwist the pairs at all to terminate them.

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#434145 2-Feb-2011 10:36

Ah yep, ONT before the WRP400. Right on. Guess I'll also need a couple RJ11-RJ45 adaptors too for the WRP400.

The Ethernet twisting (or lack thereof) makes sense. Will look into that if problems do arise.

Thanks all!

Edit: I'm also guessing now that the top telephone module is useless?

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#434147 2-Feb-2011 10:44

ChrisNZL: Ah yep, ONT before the WRP400. Right on. Guess I'll also need a couple RJ11-RJ45 adaptors too for the WRP400.

The Ethernet twisting (or lack thereof) makes sense. Will look into that if problems do arise.

Thanks all!

Edit: I'm also guessing now that the top telephone module is useless?

Nono, you plug the phone port on the WRP400 into the phone module and then all your phones that are patched into the phone module will work :)

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#434148 2-Feb-2011 10:44

ChrisNZL:
Edit: I'm also guessing now that the top telephone module is useless?

Probably not useless, but you certainly won't need all it's functionality. If you want to plug more than one phone in to the WRP400 then you can probably still use it for that.

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#434151 2-Feb-2011 10:53

Personally I would never have used one of those useless phone modules. You said the sparkie was getting a 2nd 8port patch panel to terminate the remaining two lines on, then if it were me allocate 4 or 5 unused sockets as phone patch sockets, simply jumper the blue pair of each together, then plug an RJ11>RJ45 patch lead from the ATA output of the WRP400 to one of those sockets and use the other jumpered sockets to patch the phone to various TOs, then put the voice module in the bin.

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#434157 2-Feb-2011 11:07

Think I'm understanding this more.

So for a phone, I can't go WRP400 phone jack > data module.
Has to go WRP400 phone jack > telephone module > data module.

Not too sure about jumpering things together but that does sound more efficient

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#434159 2-Feb-2011 11:10

The phone jumpering (and the current phone module) simply allow you to patch the phone to more than one outlet at any time, ie the current module has 8 room sockets.

So if you just wanted the phone to turn up at one outlet then sure simply patch the WRP400's ATA output to the desired outlet, but if you want more then use the voice module or as I described.

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#434163 2-Feb-2011 11:15

Gotcha. Thanks

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