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#2938054 4-Jul-2022 10:21

We are moving to Waimakariri at the end of July and there is no fibre available in the road. There is copper.

Spark cannot provide even wireless and the two WISPs seem difficult to deal with compared to the one we use in the Wairarapa (we have a point to point private non-shared connection delivering 100/100).

It would appear that the only way to get decent broadband is Starlink. However I do not do DIY and nor am I a network engineer.

Does anyone know a reliable and competent installer in that area who could fit the Starlink dish securely and install any ethernet cabling needed?

Edit: problem solved itself as the security system installer we will be using also installs Starlink.

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#2938187 4-Jul-2022 14:07

Geektastic:

We are moving to Waimakariri at the end of July and there is no fibre available in the road. There is copper.

Spark cannot provide even wireless and the two WISPs seem difficult to deal with compared to the one we use in the Wairarapa (we have a point to point private non-shared connection delivering 100/100).

It would appear that the only way to get decent broadband is Starlink. However I do not do DIY and nor am I a network engineer.

Does anyone know a reliable and competent installer in that area who could fit the Starlink dish securely and install any ethernet cabling needed?

Edit: problem solved itself as the security system installer we will be using also installs Starlink.

Glad to see you solved it.

As an aside, there is always the 'lawn' option. My Starlink dish has been happily sitting on our big, open-sky lawn for 10 months. I brought the cable into the house by opening a window and closing it again. All done in 10 mins and cost $0.

The lawn is actually down out of the wind behind fencing and low bushes...so the dish is in a very tranquil spot.....

I mow the lawn next to the cable.....then shift the cable into the mowed bit...and carry on....and then move the cable back later.

Our dogs are dachshunds and would be a nice meal for some of the roaming local big dogs...so we have a fenced yard for them and they can't chew on the cable.

One advantage of this is if we want to add the roaming feature for one month and go travelling, I can have the dish + router + cable in the boot of the car in 10 minutes.....and back on the lawn in 10 minutes when we get back.

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#2938194 4-Jul-2022 14:25

Linuxluver:
Geektastic:

We are moving to Waimakariri at the end of July and there is no fibre available in the road. There is copper.

Spark cannot provide even wireless and the two WISPs seem difficult to deal with compared to the one we use in the Wairarapa (we have a point to point private non-shared connection delivering 100/100).

It would appear that the only way to get decent broadband is Starlink. However I do not do DIY and nor am I a network engineer.

Does anyone know a reliable and competent installer in that area who could fit the Starlink dish securely and install any ethernet cabling needed?

Edit: problem solved itself as the security system installer we will be using also installs Starlink.

Glad to see you solved it.

As an aside, there is always the 'lawn' option. My Starlink dish has been happily sitting on our big, open-sky lawn for 10 months. I brought the cable into the house by opening a window and closing it again. All done in 10 mins and cost $0.

The lawn is actually down out of the wind behind fencing and low bushes...so the dish is in a very tranquil spot.....

I mow the lawn next to the cable.....then shift the cable into the mowed bit...and carry on....and then move the cable back later.

Our dogs are dachshunds and would be a nice meal for some of the roaming local big dogs...so we have a fenced yard for them and they can't chew on the cable.

One advantage of this is if we want to add the roaming feature for one month and go travelling, I can have the dish + router + cable in the boot of the car in 10 minutes.....and back on the lawn in 10 minutes when we get back.

Very easy basically plug and play ,no trees towards south otherwise you might get issues

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#2941127 12-Jul-2022 13:45

Sorry, I haven't read the thread, 51 pages. I have a couple of questions:

1) Customer has ordered Starlink. They are saying they can get a static IP address as part of that, but I can't see anywhere that it's available?

2) Are we able to throw a full UTM firewall behind whatever router they provide? (Fortigate or Sonicwall).

Does anyone know of a Starlink Installer in Tauranga/Mt Maunganui who may be able to assist our client?

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#2941130 12-Jul-2022 13:54

networkn:

1) Customer has ordered Starlink. They are saying they can get a static IP address as part of that, but I can't see anywhere that it's available?

At this stage, it appears Starlink only offer static IP addresses on the business subscription.

2) Are we able to throw a full UTM firewall behind whatever router they provide? (Fortigate or Sonicwall).

It appears you can, but if your customer has the square-dish model, they would need to purchase an additional ethernet adapter as there is no jack on the router itself.

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#2941175 12-Jul-2022 15:55

I don’t use the Starlink router at all. I have a Fortigate 50e firewall connected directly to the Ethernet port on the Dishy power supply. This is with the round dish model. I haven’t had a chance to experiment with the new square dish

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#2941186 12-Jul-2022 16:14

Yank1w1:
I don’t use the Starlink router at all. I have a Fortigate 50e firewall connected directly to the Ethernet port on the Dishy power supply. This is with the round dish model. I haven’t had a chance to experiment with the new square dish

Square dish connected to the Starlink router. The only Ethernet port possible is an adapter you buy separately for the router. There's no way to bypass the Starlink router if you have the square dish.

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#2941201 12-Jul-2022 17:37

Linuxluver:

...There's no way to bypass the Starlink router if you have the square dish.

I have read that you can place the new router in bridge mode, though haven't tested as also only have the round dishy with Mikrotik connected directly to dish.

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#2941331 12-Jul-2022 20:27

networkn:
Sorry, I haven't read the thread, 51 pages. I have a couple of questions:

1) Customer has ordered Starlink. They are saying they can get a static IP address as part of that, but I can't see anywhere that it's available?

2) Are we able to throw a full UTM firewall behind whatever router they provide? (Fortigate or Sonicwall).

Does anyone know of a Starlink Installer in Tauranga/Mt Maunganui who may be able to assist our client?

I can install in Tauranga. I have the Ethernet adapter in stock too. I'll flick you a PM tomorrow.
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#2944793 21-Jul-2022 14:37

Jungle drums are beating about NZ telco's being grumpy at Starlink getting a free ride on Spectrum costs....

Then there's a new factor: satellite broadband used to be on the margins. But the Elon Musk-owned SpaceX is pushing it toward the mainstream with its new Starlink service that is blanketing the Earth with thousands of satellites and has been signing up Kiwis.

Vodafone NZ sniffs in its submission, "Currently, satellite broadband providers are effectively using radio spectrum for free".

The telco wants "symmetric regulation" - which could be read as: If we're going to be whacked with huge fees for our spectrum, then Elon's company should be too".

Earlier, an MBIE spokesperson told the Herald that Starlink, which has six ground stations scattered across NZ, is paying $150 for each of its 47 licences, most of which are in the mmWave range. That's $7050 per year - or chump change next to the millions paid by telcos, a fact not lost on our mobile network players, whom the Herald understands will rattle Clark's cage about it.

From NZ Herald (but paywalled)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/spark-5g-trials-super-fast-flavour-of-5g-in-canterbury/T6TQHMK22RSTE3ZYWARYBFQMEM/

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#2944809 21-Jul-2022 14:59

wellygary:

Jungle drums are beating about NZ telco's being grumpy at Starlink getting a free ride on Spectrum costs....

Then there's a new factor: satellite broadband used to be on the margins. But the Elon Musk-owned SpaceX is pushing it toward the mainstream with its new Starlink service that is blanketing the Earth with thousands of satellites and has been signing up Kiwis.

Vodafone NZ sniffs in its submission, "Currently, satellite broadband providers are effectively using radio spectrum for free".

The telco wants "symmetric regulation" - which could be read as: If we're going to be whacked with huge fees for our spectrum, then Elon's company should be too".

Earlier, an MBIE spokesperson told the Herald that Starlink, which has six ground stations scattered across NZ, is paying $150 for each of its 47 licences, most of which are in the mmWave range. That's $7050 per year - or chump change next to the millions paid by telcos, a fact not lost on our mobile network players, whom the Herald understands will rattle Clark's cage about it.

From NZ Herald (but paywalled)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/spark-5g-trials-super-fast-flavour-of-5g-in-canterbury/T6TQHMK22RSTE3ZYWARYBFQMEM/

It's their own fault for being so slow to offer fast service to customers who do not happen to live in cities!

Of course now they want to disadvantage the competition instead of competing with it. Typical.

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#2944830 21-Jul-2022 15:47

My Starlink has reduced latency from approx. 55ms to approx. 25-30ms - this happened at about 03:00 on 12th July. This has been the first major change (improvement) in the last year.

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#2944831 21-Jul-2022 15:49

wellygary:

Jungle drums are beating about NZ telco's being grumpy at Starlink getting a free ride on Spectrum costs....

Then there's a new factor: satellite broadband used to be on the margins. But the Elon Musk-owned SpaceX is pushing it toward the mainstream with its new Starlink service that is blanketing the Earth with thousands of satellites and has been signing up Kiwis.

Vodafone NZ sniffs in its submission, "Currently, satellite broadband providers are effectively using radio spectrum for free".

The telco wants "symmetric regulation" - which could be read as: If we're going to be whacked with huge fees for our spectrum, then Elon's company should be too".

Earlier, an MBIE spokesperson told the Herald that Starlink, which has six ground stations scattered across NZ, is paying $150 for each of its 47 licences, most of which are in the mmWave range. That's $7050 per year - or chump change next to the millions paid by telcos, a fact not lost on our mobile network players, whom the Herald understands will rattle Clark's cage about it.

From NZ Herald (but paywalled)

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/spark-5g-trials-super-fast-flavour-of-5g-in-canterbury/T6TQHMK22RSTE3ZYWARYBFQMEM/

I'm sure governments will start charging more for satellite licensing once there's more of a market. Currently the satellite user base is perhaps more like 2G was. Hopefully it doesn't get so bad like 3G, where I remember British Telecom's mobile provider O2 almost bankrupted itself to buy 3G licenses. There's certainly an argument that telcos would have rolled out better coverage faster if they hadn't been saddled with loads of debt, effectively as a windfall tax before they'd even had the windfall.

Thinking about it, I'd suggest Governments charge an extra tax on mobile/satellite usage fees etc, not unlike road user charges rather than charging for licenses up-front at least.

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#2944847 21-Jul-2022 16:36

Geektastic:

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It's their own fault for being so slow to offer fast service to customers who do not happen to live in cities!

Of course now they want to disadvantage the competition instead of competing with it. Typical.

The NZ business model: Slag government off unless you need them to impede your competition.....then when they give you what you want...slag them off for impeding competition.

I never vote for business people running for Parliament who haven't served at least a decade in local body politics so we can see their record.

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#2944860 21-Jul-2022 17:24

Isn't Vodafone also paying "chump change" for its backhaul ? Thought the licensing cost for a DMR link was around $150 p.a.?

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