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#584626 21-Feb-2012 15:39

stevenz:
NonprayingMantis:
gmball: Why can't the likes of Fatso (owned by Skytv) offer streaming movies. They offer them on DVD, and if Netflix have the rights to stream content, then surely Fatso could negotiate the same rights?

Why give our monthly fee to a US company when there are companies based in NZ which we can support..

Anyone from Fatso care to elaborate?

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but you have to be a sky subscriber currently.

Or know one...

true, haha

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#584628 21-Feb-2012 15:42

NonprayingMantis:
freitasm: No. The 50GB in one day of my latest cycly was mainly the end of a 60GB backup I started the last day of my previous cycle.

We do use Apple iTunes and download quite a few movies every month, but this consumption is mainly because both myself and wife work from home, including online backup services (Crashplan, Windows Live Mesh) in and out.

And what datacap do you currently have?

Based on the screenshot 120GB :)

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#584629 21-Feb-2012 15:44

120GB plan, as per the screenshot.

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#584657 21-Feb-2012 16:15

Ack, sorry. Missed that.

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#584737 21-Feb-2012 19:02

networkn: StevieT: I think you are being a little one sided. There are a lot of providers who have plans above 40GB.
Yes. I know that.

networkn: StevieT:I think you need to own your own part in this. If you don't understand that uploading a large chunk of data will use 5GB then it's not fair to complain your provider didn't anticipate your change in pattern!

I never said that though. I said our data plans are limiting. In a way it implies I said I'd like them increased or removed, and the pricing kept roughly what we pay now for 40GB.

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#584743 21-Feb-2012 19:06

sbiddle: I'm still waiting for evidence our caps are hampering the average NZers broadband usage. Nobody has yet presented me with a compelling case as to how that is occuring.

In the US it's pretty much the norm now to find "unlimited" connections (which are the norm) from all major players to be capped at ~250GB. Despite this, average broadband usage in the US is roughly 20GB per month. Predictions from various sources predict this will hit ~60GB by 2015. This figure still represents the average user using 1/4 of their monthly cap.

Here in NZ estimates seem to put the average monthly usage at somewhere between 10GB to 15GB now. Nobody I've spoken to seems to have an accurate figure of what this is, but it's safe to say it's doubled from the ~6GB that was talked about around a year ago.

Sure we have plenty of people using 60GB + per month. I know people who use 100 GB + per month, but getting back to averages I fail to see how the average NZer's use of the internet is being hampered by caps.

You can't present a compelling case for the average NZ basing their data usage on the average of everyones data usage. I fail to see how calculating such an average would even indicate it is an average NZer's usage.

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#584746 21-Feb-2012 19:12

The problem is you won't know the average until everyone is unmetered and has downloaded themselves out over a few months, then it'll settle down and you'll see what people would really download. (Instead of currently, where they have to watch their usage)

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#584760 21-Feb-2012 19:36

StevieT:
sbiddle: I'm still waiting for evidence our caps are hampering the average NZers broadband usage. Nobody has yet presented me with a compelling case as to how that is occuring.

In the US it's pretty much the norm now to find "unlimited" connections (which are the norm) from all major players to be capped at ~250GB. Despite this, average broadband usage in the US is roughly 20GB per month. Predictions from various sources predict this will hit ~60GB by 2015. This figure still represents the average user using 1/4 of their monthly cap.

Here in NZ estimates seem to put the average monthly usage at somewhere between 10GB to 15GB now. Nobody I've spoken to seems to have an accurate figure of what this is, but it's safe to say it's doubled from the ~6GB that was talked about around a year ago.

Sure we have plenty of people using 60GB + per month. I know people who use 100 GB + per month, but getting back to averages I fail to see how the average NZer's use of the internet is being hampered by caps.

You can't present a compelling case for the average NZ basing their data usage on the average of everyones data usage. I fail to see how calculating such an average would even indicate it is an average NZer's usage.

Let's sum it up a better way.

Americans have "unlimited" data plans with ~250GB caps pretty much as the norm. They use 20GB per month on average.

Here in NZ we use upwards of ~15GB on average (with seemingly no industry established figure at this time).

If Americans can't manage to chew through significantly more data despite being the hope of torrenting and on demand video what makes us think we all need "unlimited" caps and are being short changed?

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#584788 21-Feb-2012 20:22

freitasm: Meanwhile, in the US mobile companies like AT&T and Sprint started throttling their 5% top users.

These are the companies people keep using as example when talking about "unlimited mobile data" - which won't be long. Also cable companies in the US are already implementing caps (at 250GB a bit higher than ours, but a cap nonetheless).

These are also some of the companies who battled against "net neutrality" in the USA, so that new revenue streams could be derived through providing high speed premium content, ultimately created by throttling all websites who do not pay them to deliver their sites through their premium channels.

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#584802 21-Feb-2012 20:42

sbiddle:
StevieT:
sbiddle: I'm still waiting for evidence our caps are hampering the average NZers broadband usage. Nobody has yet presented me with a compelling case as to how that is occuring.

In the US it's pretty much the norm now to find "unlimited" connections (which are the norm) from all major players to be capped at ~250GB. Despite this, average broadband usage in the US is roughly 20GB per month. Predictions from various sources predict this will hit ~60GB by 2015. This figure still represents the average user using 1/4 of their monthly cap.

Here in NZ estimates seem to put the average monthly usage at somewhere between 10GB to 15GB now. Nobody I've spoken to seems to have an accurate figure of what this is, but it's safe to say it's doubled from the ~6GB that was talked about around a year ago.

Sure we have plenty of people using 60GB + per month. I know people who use 100 GB + per month, but getting back to averages I fail to see how the average NZer's use of the internet is being hampered by caps.

You can't present a compelling case for the average NZ basing their data usage on the average of everyones data usage. I fail to see how calculating such an average would even indicate it is an average NZer's usage.

Let's sum it up a better way.

Americans have "unlimited" data plans with ~250GB caps pretty much as the norm. They use 20GB per month on average.

Here in NZ we use upwards of ~15GB on average (with seemingly no industry established figure at this time).

If Americans can't manage to chew through significantly more data despite being the hope of torrenting and on demand video what makes us think we all need "unlimited" caps and are being short changed?

one had to wonder how much the US number is skewed upwards by the small number of people who download vast amounts of torrents all the time and pull through terabytes (there are still lots of unlimited plans in the USA). Remove those guys (aka 'vampires' in ISP lingo)from the pool and I suspect the average usage in the USA is probably pretty close to NZ.

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#584837 21-Feb-2012 21:48

found this quote fromStephen Fry pretty funny

"[he]said a "smart guy" could make "a fortune and a fool of the complacent Telecomm [sic] and their contemptuous attitude to customers. Phew! Rant over"."

so he is basically implying that all of telecom's competitors are incompetent because they don't give everyone unlimited data.

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#584838 21-Feb-2012 21:52

If you think your fibre cap is bad take a look at the new Vodafone Rural broadband offering: 5-10GB for $80 - $90/ month. This is including grants from public money.

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#584847 21-Feb-2012 22:07

djrm: If you think your fibre cap is bad take a look at the new Vodafone Rural broadband offering: 5-10GB for $80 - $90/ month. This is including grants from public money.

that is fixed-wireless, which is essentially mobile broadband in one place. $90 for 10GB is pretty good.

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#584900 22-Feb-2012 00:21

crackrdbycracku:
freitasm:
crackrdbycracku: Blu-Ray quality is, I think, about 8GB per movie. So, a 100GB plus plan isn't looking so overboard anymore.

That's because you are still thinking on downloading the Bluray, dare I say, by illegal means. A legal iTunes HD movie is about 2.2 GB.

Sorry if I wasn't being clear. I wouldn't download anything I didn't have to which was 8 GB and I don't download illegally.

TV series are now filmed in HD, download one of those from iTunes and you are talking about a massive amount of data.

My point was that when you start wanting to download HD video then big 100 GB caps don't look so big anymore.

You can't download TV shows on the New Zealand Itunes store.

Sigh, I have sent them suggestions to do so, so many times. They've stopped replying now :P

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#584910 22-Feb-2012 01:44

If anyone wants to look at the average uncapped usage of the average NZ household is, why not just ask slingshot?

I know i can download torrents at line speed (1.7 mBytes per second), they cache EVERYTHING including video, youtube, torrents, p2p, so its all super fast.
And when you are downloading something uncached from an international source, its fast anyway because of all the leftover bandwidth they have from not needing to serve content directly.

So basically there is a model in place right now that we can refer to - just ask a whole bunch of uni students who have their flat hooked up to slingshot AYCE and see what their usage is.

On slingshots behalf, the AYCE system was a huge gamble that i think is paying off well. They must have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on the caching systems and i wouldnt be surprised if the call plus business centre is just one big giant squid cache.

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