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#1274593 31-Mar-2015 16:49

Copper's great during a disaster as it's self powered if using an old analogue phone.

I wonder what happens in a disaster when we all use VOIP?

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#1274640 31-Mar-2015 17:14

joker97: Copper's great during a disaster as it's self powered if using an old analogue phone.

I wonder what happens in a disaster when we all use VOIP?

Once your UPS goes flat (assuming you have one in the first place), no interwebz, no telephone.

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#1274652 31-Mar-2015 17:31

Ok, I'm glad my archaic suburb has plenty of copper lying around :D

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#1274884 1-Apr-2015 01:34

joker97: Copper's great during a disaster as it's self powered if using an old analogue phone.

I wonder what happens in a disaster when we all use VOIP?

I have 200 Amp/hour worth of backup on my UFB and networking gear. So I will even have WIFI during a disaster. And the WIFI will become faster as well as there won't be any interference from the neighbours WIFI. And if it is a long term power outage, Can recharge batteries with my car. Or I could just start my generator.

Although people will be able to track down where I live during a disaster just by using the "WIFI analyser" App.

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#1274899 1-Apr-2015 07:01

In our last disaster the generators were running but we lost VOIP/internet anyway.

Wireless RBI vanished. Guess the batteries on the cell tower gave out.

Didn't think of THAT when we swapped over from satellite:(

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#1275279 1-Apr-2015 13:48

Fiber should be better as there is no active gear in the roadside cabinets with limited runtime like DSL has. Only passive splitters and joins.

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#1275473 1-Apr-2015 15:51

richms: Fiber should be better as there is no active gear in the roadside cabinets with limited runtime like DSL has. Only passive splitters and joins.

As long as you have a suitable back up power source at home to power your essential communications devices for an acceptable length of time (be it batteries or a generator).

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#1275608 1-Apr-2015 18:38

DarthKermit:
richms: Fiber should be better as there is no active gear in the roadside cabinets with limited runtime like DSL has. Only passive splitters and joins.

As long as you have a suitable back up power source at home to power your essential communications devices for an acceptable length of time (be it batteries or a generator).

Wait for "Power over Fibre" with some fancy photovoltaics picking up the IR laser light. Dont get that laser in your eyes! Actually I reckon pretty dodgy to put ONTs in living rooms within reach of 5 year olds, but thats what we have to do.

Time to find a new industry!

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#1275610 1-Apr-2015 18:50

richms:
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richms: What happens if, when for example I have to replace my water main which I will probably have to do, there was a piece of the microducting accidentally dropped along side it, and when chorus came to do the fiber install in the street they found this pre-exising duct ready to go?

I actually did exactly that. (Because our water pressure sucked... not because of consent issues). But we may as well have the ducting at the same time.

Mine has leaked again, and luckily this time outside the 2 years that you have to be leak free to get a rebate on the leaked amount. Old pipe will probably leak again somewhere else.

I only share a driveway with 1 other house, but the phone cables all come down under the neighbours driveway to a pole then overground to the house. Am toying with the idea of getting a guy to bring new power, water, and a UFB duct down under my drive so I only have to deal with one neighbour not a whole lot.

I think the solution there is to tell them you have to retain the copper, which might already have rights as an essential service. Chorus now have the option to use their "hybrid" copper/fibre nanoduct in situations like that.

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#1275651 1-Apr-2015 19:32

I've ordered fibre, interesting to see how long all of it is going to take. I'm up a shared driveway as well. Fortunately, my neighbours at the back don't have a problem with me getting fibre (they'd even like it themselves one day).

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#1275950 2-Apr-2015 10:45

quickymart: I've ordered fibre, interesting to see how long all of it is going to take. I'm up a shared driveway as well. Fortunately, my neighbours at the back don't have a problem with me getting fibre (they'd even like it themselves one day).

Hope it goes well. If it's Chorus you can help speed the consent process by visiting your neighbours with some muffins and point them to the online consent form (or take a hardcopy): https://www.chorus.co.nz/rights-of-way-1/online-consent/new-consent-form. (Although it looks like it needs a reference number of sorts, maybe see if you can get that of the ISP that you've made the order with.)

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#1276192 2-Apr-2015 15:30

It was with Spark. Nothing yet, but I'm patient. VDSL is doing the job at the moment :)

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#1281935 13-Apr-2015 11:06

I'm not sure if the process changed, but I do recall a couple of cases where consent was given to get the scoper out for a ROW install to the last property and the person had essentially said "you won't even know it happened" but the scoper had decided to trench down edge part of the driveway ... since the consent forms were already signed and returned no one bothered to check back after the plans had changed. So, I can understand why consent is required, but personally I think its madness that consent comes before scope. That is a process Chorus could change.

The other thing about ROW's is if you're first in the lot 9/10 your install is treated as SDU, you could get the install done and then refuse for the others in the ROW.

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#1281942 13-Apr-2015 11:15

The other thing about ROW's is if you're first in the lot 9/10 your install is treated as SDU, you could get the install done and then refuse for the others in the ROW.

I've never seen this happen in my 2.5 years of managing fibre orders for my employer. The first house on a ROW to order UFB is treated no differently to the rest. The only exception would be where Chorus are not aware of that house being on a ROW (which does occasionally happen), but this would be picked up on the scope visit, and would then be referred back to go through the consent process.

If anything, LFC's have a tendancy to attribute addresses to an adjacent ROW when in fact they are standalone. This is then manually assessed by their consent team and the status is changed back to SDU once confirmation is gained.

The views expressed by me are not necessarily those of my employer Chorus NZ Ltd

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#1281945 13-Apr-2015 11:18

Wheelbarrow01:
The other thing about ROW's is if you're first in the lot 9/10 your install is treated as SDU, you could get the install done and then refuse for the others in the ROW.

I've never seen this happen in my 2.5 years of managing fibre orders for my employer. The first house on a ROW to order UFB is treated no differently to the rest. The only exception would be where Chorus are not aware of that house being on a ROW (which does occasionally happen), but this would be picked up on the scope visit, and would then be referred back to go through the consent process.

If anything, LFC's have a tendancy to attribute addresses to an adjacent ROW when in fact they are standalone. This is then manually assessed by their consent team and the status is changed back to SDU once confirmation is gained.

I can see 6 in progress right now where the upstream provider told the contracting company "treat it as an SDU", the consideration for the change is where the drop off is.

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