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#10521 27-Nov-2006 10:47

K im meant to be studying for exams and alll that but im too distracted by my crappy internet. I've got two routers, one keeps messing up so i can't even access it. But thats OK everything is STILL ok. Now... who knows the best encryption setting in Azureus to FOOL orcon so I get a fasted speed. I dont no if i should allow non-encrypted incoming and allow non-enchryped outgoing. Doe Orcon monitor ports or traffic? Also im thinking of getting a new router (gateway), needs to be wireless. Are differetn routers faster than others? What is the best one to get?

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#53792 27-Nov-2006 11:00

The first things to look at would be:
- Your plan - does it have limited downstream/upload?
- Your lines connect rates - is your modems connection speed low?

Both are both showstoppers.

Many ISP's do traffic shape peer to peer traffic (as well as other things) so that may be causing it to .

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#53798 27-Nov-2006 11:38

Like cokemaster says many ISPs do layer-7 traffic shaping and unless you opt for a plan without it your torrents won't go nearly as fast as they can.

as for an ADSL modem-router I reccomend the dick-smith XH1175 (or similar) it doesn't have wireless but it's better under the hood than any d-link i've seen.

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#53801 27-Nov-2006 12:04

None of the Orcon plans have shaping or traffic management of any sort except for their 'Go Large' plan. I specifically rang and asked for a gaurantee when I joined. I get a wide range of speeds from BT. It all depends on the seeders.

Also make sure you have the correct port forwarded to your router. Otherwise the speeds you get will be <5KB/sec

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#53826 27-Nov-2006 13:52

I've noticed the same except for Xtras Go large plan with its 'traffic management'

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#53838 27-Nov-2006 15:23

bradstewart: None of the Orcon plans have shaping or traffic management of any sort except for their 'Go Large' plan. I specifically rang and asked for a gaurantee when I joined.

When i called them, less than 2 weeks ago, i also asked this, because the FAQ below was not clear, if the FAQ meant just the Flat Rate or All the Plans, they told me ALL PLANS have Level 7 QOS and their FAQ was worded badly, i was surprised so i asked him to check with this supervisor, he also said all plans were managed

here is the FAQ

Orcons FAQ link

I didnt switch to orcon for this reason ( wasnt looking at the flat rate plan )

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#53839 27-Nov-2006 15:34

For P2P, consider bypassing the router in your ADSL modem, and using a real router.

Too often I've noticed that the router/wifi/adsl combination devices do none of the three things particularly well. I've blogged my setup, where I've basically relieved the ADSL modem of any routing duties, and use a Linksys running DD-WRT to do the routing job. Really seems to help P2P. Doesn't change much else.

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#53913 27-Nov-2006 23:22

How do you have your modem connected to the router?

because if its ethernet then the first router is still doing all the PPP and doing nat. only its just for your second router so I am surprised that its any different.

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#53914 27-Nov-2006 23:25

richms: How do you have your modem connected to the router? because if its ethernet then the first router is still doing all the PPP and doing nat. only its just for your second router so I am surprised that its any different.

What about if you set up a DMZ and put your router in it? Will the modem then send everything straight to the router for distribution?

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#53915 27-Nov-2006 23:52

richms: How do you have your modem connected to the router?

because if its ethernet then the first router is still doing all the PPP and doing nat. only its just for your second router so I am surprised that its any different.

PPP half-brige, aka "IP Extension". The modrm/router isn't doing any NAT, just blindly forwarding the packets to the router.

Crispin: DMZ won't help, because the modem/router still has to do NAT, and most cheapo routers have tiny, slow NAT tables.

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#53916 28-Nov-2006 06:58

bradstewart:
Also make sure you have the correct port forwarded to your router. Otherwise the speeds you get will be <5KB/sec

What is the "correct" port, my torrent software assigns a random port on start-up, should this be changed to a fixed port?
And 'forwarded to your router"? Oh dear sounds pretty techie, where could I find out more on the subject?
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#53952 28-Nov-2006 11:02

Ok.... So because they do QoS level 7 there is no point encrypting bittorrent? Yes my setups weird and messed up... I don't have the money to do much about it though. I have 2 routers! Ones the old one, Dynalink RTA770, its a gateway but no wireless, the other is a Netgear router with wireless but no modem, but it has wireless, but skrews up the whole time... (it was mega cheap cause I work at Dick Smith) I looked at the setup that Ben posted which looks pretty good. I have 3 questions:
1. Is there anyway to trick Orcon and get bittorrent faster?
2. What is a really good gateway for bittorrent?
3. Which ISP is FASTEST?

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#53954 28-Nov-2006 11:04

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#53956 28-Nov-2006 11:08

Ok people this is getting a tad out of hand, can we PLEASE stop it with the expletives.
I don't care if you $&^# out its still swearing and it adds nothing to your post.
Most people who can actually help you will see these characters and close the window. They will not try and help you at all - this will probably add to your frustration.
Keep it clean please

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#53958 28-Nov-2006 11:12

Have a look at the settings for the RTA770 and see if you can find an 'IP extension' setting in the connection settings. Tick this on, and plug the first ethernet port straight into your computer. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FIREWALL RUNNING FIRST.

All going well, you should see your computer pick up a public IP address (219. something for xtra maybe). This will basically make your computer's ethernet card part of the public internet. You don't have to worry about port forwarding, DMZ, or anything. It's good as a test to make sure your router isn't the choke point. If you find it speeds things up, but need to share with more computers or use wireless, you can then get a good router and connect the modem (with the IP extension still turned on) to the router's 'internet' port.

Answers to your questions:
1. Not really. Some people say running encrypted Bittorrent over port 80 is an option. Unsure why, maybe there is so much traffic on port 80 that they can't/won't filter it?
2. Do you mean router? Or place to find torrents? If it's the router, then you can't really go past a WRT54GL running custom firmware. Or perhaps any other router that allows you to tweak the NAT table size and timeout settings. I'm not into private torrent trackers, and just use public ones. Speeds vary between 30-40kBps up to maybe 500kBps.
3. Unsure. I'd say ihug is terrible. I've switched from ihug to Xtra and things are a little better. Some people swear by Telstra because they have independant international backhaul. Unsure how much difference that makes.