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Topic # 119032 17-May-2013 20:23

My house address has no UFB "until 2015-2016"

But my neighbour behind me has UFB

Is there any way to get UFB from his street (behind my street)?

I suspect the answer is no, but I thought I'd ask :D

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Reply # 821341 17-May-2013 20:49

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Just wire a cat5E (or even a fibre version depending on the distance and the depth of your wallet) and share your neighbours UFB connection. I'm sure paying half on their 100/10 will give you lots of bandwidth...

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Reply # 821558 18-May-2013 12:18

This is what you want. Get a pair of these, set them up as a layer 2 bridge and then get your ISP to get the connection installed at your neighbours. I believe you can have multiple RSP's delivering service out of the one ONT so your neighbour could still get a completely separate connection.

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Reply # 821582 18-May-2013 13:09

They look great devices at a good price, chev.

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Reply # 821587 18-May-2013 13:25

chevrolux: This is what you want. Get a pair of these, set them up as a layer 2 bridge and then get your ISP to get the connection installed at your neighbours. I believe you can have multiple RSP's delivering service out of the one ONT so your neighbour could still get a completely separate connection.

+1 top gear and good solution.

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Reply # 821588 18-May-2013 13:27

hmm not sure if the neighbor will agree to it

what do I tell him it involves?

so it's a wireless bridge to my house router?

Will the isp agree?

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Reply # 821589 18-May-2013 13:27

hmm not sure if the neighbor will agree to it

what do I tell him it involves?

so it's a wireless bridge to my house router?

Will the isp agree?

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Reply # 821632 18-May-2013 14:50

Yes it is a wireless bridge. You will get very very good throughput if the distance is short. Those loco M5's or good for about 1km. If you need longer there is the standard M5.

Obviously you would need your neighbours permission. Your local fibre co will get the install doen which will involve getting in in from the street and wiring it to the chosen position for the ONT. Have a look through the forums for examples of UFB installs around the place. They are generally quite tidy and quite unobtrusive. Then you will need to run a cable up to the roof (or wherever the nanostation will be positioned).

The ISP doesn't care how you use the service but for support they would probably want their router in the house with the connection and not after the bridge. But technically speaking you can run the bridge between the ONT and the router and your ISP will be none the wiser. To make it more attractive for your neighbour you could pay half the connection each and share it using a routing system like Gargoyle so you both get a fair chance with the bandwidth.

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Reply # 822279 20-May-2013 10:33

There should be no installation involved by the L1 contractor (Chorus/Downer/Whoever). The installation of a second service is logical, purely a provisioning job. You would need to hire someone to carry out the physical install of the wifi bridge (pending your neighbours agreement of course) and configure that if you are not comfortable doing so. But as far as the second service being installed, it would be delivered by one of the other UNI's on the existing ONT.

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Reply # 822447 20-May-2013 14:24

so will the bridge draw power from the neighbour?

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Reply # 822455 20-May-2013 14:37

joker97: so will the bridge draw power from the neighbour?

Yes it would.

How close is your neigbour?
Do they have a wireless network that you can pick up from your place?
If they do you could look at getting a WRT54GL and flashing DD-WRT onto it and using that to grab your neighbours wireless signal and then distribute from there. This wouldn't use any power at the neighbours.

You would need their wireless network security settings of course. :)

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Reply # 822475 20-May-2013 15:20

knoydart: Just wire a cat5E (or even a fibre version depending on the distance and the depth of your wallet) and share your neighbours UFB connection. I'm sure paying half on their 100/10 will give you lots of bandwidth...

I do this with my neighbour -- he can get TelstraClear/Vodafone 100Mbps cable, I can't. Works really well -- if you have a good path for the cable to follow, will be more reliable than wifi.

The tricky bit is if you're sharing a connection with a cap, how do you know whose fault it is when you get a huge bill? I'd suggest an uncapped connection -- unless you're capable of monitoring each person's usage AND you're sufficiently friendly with each other to be unlikely to end up in an "your monitoring system says I did 2TB but all I did was watch a few hours of youtube" argument.

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Reply # 822483 20-May-2013 15:34

As previously mentioned in the thread, you can spit out a separate UFB service on another port on the ONT (from another or the same RSP as the 1st UFB service provider). So you could avoid the sharing of a single subscription and any issues on that front.

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Reply # 822489 20-May-2013 15:44

Does that work now? Pretty sure I read somewhere that someone who wanted two internet services over UFB had to have two ONTs installed, as Chorus doesn't support multiple services per ONT yet?

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Reply # 822613 20-May-2013 18:47

Im doing exactly that with the M5's to get UFB from just over 1km away. Im in massey up on a hill and picking it up from the bottom end of Daytona Road. If you drive down there you can see a two story house with a couple dish's on the roof as its being sent elsewere too. Im getting local LAN speeds of upto 8mbytes/s over the link.

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Reply # 823856 22-May-2013 23:04

Lorenceo: Does that work now? Pretty sure I read somewhere that someone who wanted two internet services over UFB had to have two ONTs installed, as Chorus doesn't support multiple services per ONT yet?

Chorus = Fail in that case...

The logistics involved are simple. It is very possible, I have done this personally, both in a lab environment, and in the 'wild'. Why go to the expense of blowing and lighting another fibre and installing another ONT when you can supply up to 3 Bitstream 2 Services off a single ONT (This holds true for the Huawei ONTs deployed by Enable and Ultrafast, I cannot comment on the specific model being supplied and installed by Chorus)?