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Topic # 128838 25-Aug-2013 15:53
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I am looking at doing one myself but have no idea what it is I need to do. I think I have a master filter installed in my house so that is checked off. I can't find anything on Google about what I need to do to a phone jack though? 

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  Reply # 884236 25-Aug-2013 16:00
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If you already have a master filter, it should have two sets of leads coming out of it. One to your POTS phone jack(s), the other to your dedicated xDSL modem jack.




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  Reply # 884243 25-Aug-2013 16:58
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If you have one of the older splitters (Master Filter) then it will have two sets of wires connected to it - Orange set connected to the incoming line & to your circuit (3 way jnt) that feeds to your dedicated xDSL Jkpt (Jack Point) and the blue set to the rest of your BT jkpts for POTS

The dedicated circuit to your xDSL jkpt could be a spare pair in the exisiting 'phone' cabling or a pair in a seperate CAT rated cable

If you have a newer splitter (Required for VDSL) it will have three sets of wires - one set to connect to the incoming line and one for the POTS circuit and the third for you seperate DSL service

For VDSL, to have the best performance, you will have to use a seperate CAT5+ rated cable to feed from the Splitter to your dedicated Jkpt

Part of the standard practices now employed by Chorus is to have the install tech fit off this cable with an RJ45 jkpt instead of a BT jkpt to help ID the Service being provided (and as part of the general move to transition from BTs to RJ45s)



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  Reply # 884250 25-Aug-2013 17:20
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InstallerUFB: If you have one of the older splitters (Master Filter) then it will have two sets of wires connected to it - Orange set connected to the incoming line & to your circuit (3 way jnt) that feeds to your dedicated xDSL Jkpt (Jack Point) and the blue set to the rest of your BT jkpts for POTS

The dedicated circuit to your xDSL jkpt could be a spare pair in the exisiting 'phone' cabling or a pair in a seperate CAT rated cable

If you have a newer splitter (Required for VDSL) it will have three sets of wires - one set to connect to the incoming line and one for the POTS circuit and the third for you seperate DSL service

For VDSL, to have the best performance, you will have to use a seperate CAT5+ rated cable to feed from the Splitter to your dedicated Jkpt

Part of the standard practices now employed by Chorus is to have the install tech fit off this cable with an RJ45 jkpt instead of a BT jkpt to help ID the Service being provided (and as part of the general move to transition from BTs to RJ45s)


So you are saying I need to run a new cable that doesn't connect to the phone at all. I don't think I could run a new cable since my internet cables come in at the bottom of the wall on the first story and I need the jack to be in the middle of the house on the second story, I don't know how I would run a new cable without just nailing it onto the wall which would look bad.







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  Reply # 884258 25-Aug-2013 18:02
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Maybe you could explain why you want to do this yourself, is it simply to improve your existing ADSL2+ connection?

If you're getting VDSL2 doing this yourself is pointless, you may as well let the Chorus tech to all the work since it's a mandatory part of a VDSL2 install anyway.



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  Reply # 884423 26-Aug-2013 08:12
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solaybro:
InstallerUFB: If you have one of the older splitters (Master Filter) then it will have two sets of wires connected to it - Orange set connected to the incoming line & to your circuit (3 way jnt) that feeds to your dedicated xDSL Jkpt (Jack Point) and the blue set to the rest of your BT jkpts for POTS

The dedicated circuit to your xDSL jkpt could be a spare pair in the exisiting 'phone' cabling or a pair in a seperate CAT rated cable

If you have a newer splitter (Required for VDSL) it will have three sets of wires - one set to connect to the incoming line and one for the POTS circuit and the third for you seperate DSL service

For VDSL, to have the best performance, you will have to use a seperate CAT5+ rated cable to feed from the Splitter to your dedicated Jkpt

Part of the standard practices now employed by Chorus is to have the install tech fit off this cable with an RJ45 jkpt instead of a BT jkpt to help ID the Service being provided (and as part of the general move to transition from BTs to RJ45s)


So you are saying I need to run a new cable that doesn't connect to the phone at all. I don't think I could run a new cable since my internet cables come in at the bottom of the wall on the first story and I need the jack to be in the middle of the house on the second story, I don't know how I would run a new cable without just nailing it onto the wall which would look bad.


I thought they only did one jack point with the installation and you had to pay for the rest.

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  Reply # 884427 26-Aug-2013 08:14
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solaybro:
InstallerUFB: If you have one of the older splitters (Master Filter) then it will have two sets of wires connected to it - Orange set connected to the incoming line & to your circuit (3 way jnt) that feeds to your dedicated xDSL Jkpt (Jack Point) and the blue set to the rest of your BT jkpts for POTS

The dedicated circuit to your xDSL jkpt could be a spare pair in the exisiting 'phone' cabling or a pair in a seperate CAT rated cable

If you have a newer splitter (Required for VDSL) it will have three sets of wires - one set to connect to the incoming line and one for the POTS circuit and the third for you seperate DSL service

For VDSL, to have the best performance, you will have to use a seperate CAT5+ rated cable to feed from the Splitter to your dedicated Jkpt

Part of the standard practices now employed by Chorus is to have the install tech fit off this cable with an RJ45 jkpt instead of a BT jkpt to help ID the Service being provided (and as part of the general move to transition from BTs to RJ45s)


So you are saying I need to run a new cable that doesn't connect to the phone at all. I don't think I could run a new cable since my internet cables come in at the bottom of the wall on the first story and I need the jack to be in the middle of the house on the second story, I don't know how I would run a new cable without just nailing it onto the wall which would look bad.


I thought they only did one jack point with the installation and you had to pay for the rest.


You only need one jackpoint for VDSL service. 
Are you wanting multiple jackpoints for running an IP phone system?  

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  Reply # 884430 26-Aug-2013 08:40
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It sounds like maybe the OP already has VDSL, but now wants too move where the VDSL modem is perhaps?

@solaybro: As Steve said, you probably need to tell us a bit more about the situation and what you're trying to achieve.   IF you haven't got VDSL yet then a master filter install is included in the installation cost, and if you ask nicely when they're doing that they might be able to connect to the jackpoint you want.



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  Reply # 884923 26-Aug-2013 19:01
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sidefx: It sounds like maybe the OP already has VDSL, but now wants too move where the VDSL modem is perhaps?

@solaybro: As Steve said, you probably need to tell us a bit more about the situation and what you're trying to achieve.   IF you haven't got VDSL yet then a master filter install is included in the installation cost, and if you ask nicely when they're doing that they might be able to connect to the jackpoint you want.


I must have not been clear and caused confusion so I will make it as clear as possible.

1) I don not have VDSL yet since I have yet to organise a time when someone can be home.

2) I want a VDSL jack point in 2 rooms. One room is the living room where lots of devices get used, and I have my Xbox in another room so I want one there so that I can get the best connection for gaming.

3) I live in a 3 story house that has the internet come through underground cables that enter the house at the bottom of the wall on the first floor at the front of my house in almost the corner.

4) The living room is on the second floor and the internet cables on the first floor come in on the opposite side of the house to where I want the first VDSL jack point. I also want the VDSl jack point to come in halfway along the house.

5) The VDSL jack point I want for my room is on the back of the house on the back wall on the opposite corner that the internet cable enters my house on the third floor.

I don't think I can really wire a new cable through my house because it would be exposed on would look terrible. So can I use the cable already wired through my house (I am still trying to find out what cable is in my house but my house is maybe 5 years old so it should be a decent cable)?

I thought the $99 installation fee only covered the conversion of one jack point so I was going to do the other one myself since I though it can't be that hard. 







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  Reply # 884928 26-Aug-2013 19:08
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You only need one VDSL jackpoint (which to plug your VDSL modem/router into). To connect other devices, you need to set up a LAN.




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  Reply # 884954 26-Aug-2013 20:14
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DarthKermit: You only need one VDSL jackpoint (which to plug your VDSL modem/router into). To connect other devices, you need to set up a LAN.


Googling a LAN didn't help much since it kept telling me about wireless networks. If I got the VDSL jackpoint installed next to a regular jackpoint and then just plugged an ethernet cable into the back of the modem and then into the regular jack point, then plugged my xbox straight into the regular jackpoint in the wall would that work? Also the phone plugs into the jackpoint that would have the Ethernet cable run into it, so would that work if I plugged one of those Ethernet adapters that can take 2 cables?







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  Reply # 884960 26-Aug-2013 20:27
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You can only have one VDSL jack-point. If you phone wiring was done in star configuration, then you may be able to convert to a basic structured cabling setup.




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  Reply # 884961 26-Aug-2013 20:27
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Jackpoints wired to provide a phone service aren't necessarily used to provide a data service. Where do the cable runs go to exactly?? You don't even mention if BT (British Telecom) or RJ45 jacks.

P.S. Take the wall plates off and tell us how many pairs have been punched down.




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  Reply # 884966 26-Aug-2013 20:46
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The existing wiring (probably) isn't going to be usable for connecting your devices together. You'll have to run CAT5/6 separately (So, tape them down to the floor or stable to the ceiling/etc)

With VDSL, you get a single VDSL modem/router that you plug into the single VDSL jack that the Chorus tech will install for you. It's then up to you to run CAT5/6 to the rest of your computers through the house. I doubt the wiring for the phone jacks you have is the right kind that you can use them for that.

(Most/some *DSL routers/modems have wifi built in, so you could potentially use that instead of running ethernet/cat5 cabling everywhere)



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  Reply # 884983 26-Aug-2013 21:30
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Spyware: Jackpoints wired to provide a phone service aren't necessarily used to provide a data service. Where do the cable runs go to exactly?? You don't even mention if BT (British Telecom) or RJ45 jacks.

P.S. Take the wall plates off and tell us how many pairs have been punched down.


I had a look at my jacks but I don't know how to tell. I took a picture of what the connection looks like in the room with my Xbox.

1. (https://i.imgur.com/0MfgWeS.jpg)
2. (https://i.imgur.com/0MfgWeS.jpg)
3. (https://i.imgur.com/I9yaAnp.jpg)

The cable seems to have been stripped down and only 2 wires (a blue and a white) are connected to the socket. There is a similar thing with the socket that I currently use for internet but only 2 of the many wires in the ethernet cable are not used.

How do I tell if I have BT or RJ45?

Can I modify the one in the pictures to do internet if it can't already?







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  Reply # 884987 26-Aug-2013 21:37
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The unused pairs can obviously be punched down but the question is where do the cable runs go to. If they simply daisy chain between jacks to provide phone service then the cabling could be quite useless for your purpose. If the runs all go back to a patch panel somewhere then things are looking better.




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