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Topic # 136469 28-Nov-2013 10:41
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Vodafone is disappointed that Chorus has suspended its scheduled Dialogue Briefing around new, faster fibre services.

Last month, Chorus announced an industry consultation on a proposed new range of Ultra-fast Broadband (UFB) products, giving Retail Service Providers (RSPs) the opportunity to offer faster speeds and better value over fibre.

This process has now been postponed by Chorus.

Vodafone has been vocal in its views on accelerating New Zealand’s fibre future. The company has been pushing for faster speeds to create a clear distinction between copper – particularly VDSL – and fibre, making UFB more compelling and attractive, so customers find the decision to shift straightforward. Whilst the Chorus proposals did not go as far as they needed to, Vodafone supported the move as a step in the right direction.

Vodafone CEO, Russell Stanners says New Zealanders deserve faster speeds and better products than are currently offered by Local Fibre Companies (LFCs).

“The current entry level UFB speed on offer of 30Mbps down is dismal when compared to international benchmarks and what’s currently available on copper networks in New Zealand. The introduction of VDSL products in the market has made entry level fibre offerings redundant.

“The UFB initiative was premised on improving New Zealand’s international competitiveness, but we risk falling behind the speeds and services available in other countries – such as Singapore, Japan and Korea.”

Stanners continues: “If Chorus – and the other LFCs – feel unable to provide the layer 2 services we believe customers need, the Government should look to bring forward the unbundling of the fibre network and let others have a go.”




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  Reply # 942206 28-Nov-2013 12:37
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Sounds like Rusty is keen to see the Conklin issues carry over into the fibre world.

You can't just go and introduce contention into a GPON network without a very careful approach. Installing Conklin's just so people could have DSL seemed a brilliant idea 6 or 7 years ago. Now many rural people are stuck suffering poor performance with no fix possible for many of them.

If you start giving 24 end users a 1Gbps connection on a GPON network that's only capable of delivering 2.4Gbps you face the very real issue of facing the same very issues in 5 years time as usage grows exponentially.

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  Reply # 942219 28-Nov-2013 13:03
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Unbundling the copper network has lead to p1ssed off customers due to inadequate systems in place to manage the provisioning and faults processes. I believe Telecom is still the best when it comes to provisioning and getting faults fixed.
And isn't the UFB network relatively "unbundled" anyway. As in CFH simply sell the Layer 2 service and anyone who is willing to get backhaul to the connection can use it as is. Seems a pretty fair model to me.

As for getting faster speed, I would far prefer my 100Mbps to stay uncontended until such a time that 10GPON gear is installed so we can step up to faster speeds.
Only a few select home users are going to want/need faster than 100Mbps. I do tend to agree that a 30Mbps service is a bit slow so maybe that can be bumped up to 50Mbps. But then again, some people just want the net for emails and facebook and couldn't care less about streaming video etc.

The only thing I think that really needs to be looked at is a 'Voice access circuit'. Something Chorus can sell to ISPs with a tiny PIR that will allow the ISPs to give them a VoIP service without an internet connection. Mainly for elderly that move in to UFB only subdivisions and have to pay for an entire internet connection just to get a phone. There have been two of these instances happen around here (Palmy north) in the past few months so it must be happening all over the country.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 942265 28-Nov-2013 14:00
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Presumably LFCs aren't allowed to do commercial agreements for access, if they want to offer 200 Mbps (as Chorus have already proposed) they have to offer it to everyone on the same terms? Sounds like Vodafone want access on commercial terms again (basically a repeat of TelstraClear wanting Telecom UBS).

Also I don't see how contending is that bad... something like 400 Mbps tier over GPON should be fine. 

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  Reply # 942303 28-Nov-2013 14:40
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It struck me as nothing more than a mischievous smart alec statement... I can't even imagine how he thinks 'unbundling' the fibre network would work.

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  Reply # 942307 28-Nov-2013 14:43
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I see VodaTelstra are still butthurt about the HFC dissing they got




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  Reply # 942314 28-Nov-2013 14:53
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Talkiet: It struck me as nothing more than a mischievous smart alec statement... I can't even imagine how he thinks 'unbundling' the fibre network would work.

Cheers - N


Let's start by "unbundling" the "fibre" network in Wellington and Christchurch that Vodafone already own.

Funny how the various owners of that network have never offered to unbundle.

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  Reply # 942321 28-Nov-2013 14:59
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its a fine line between running a profitable enterprise ( a must if it is to keep pace with progress) and providing more for less to the customer. I would rather see the availability of services to as many as possible than faster services being available to a few.




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  Reply # 942324 28-Nov-2013 15:04
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chevrolux: I do tend to agree that a 30Mbps service is a bit slow so maybe that can be bumped up to 50Mbps.

The Chorus proposal offers 50/20 for the same wholesale price as the existing 30/10 service. I believe that the plan is to offer this from 9 December.

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  Reply # 942328 28-Nov-2013 15:11
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Behodar:
chevrolux: I do tend to agree that a 30Mbps service is a bit slow so maybe that can be bumped up to 50Mbps.

The Chorus proposal offers 50/20 for the same wholesale price as the existing 30/10 service. I believe that the plan is to offer this from 9 December.


Gotta love the media on this. All LFC's AFAIK are offering 50/20 and the idea came from the TCF




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  Reply # 942499 28-Nov-2013 20:07
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graemeh:
Talkiet: It struck me as nothing more than a mischievous smart alec statement... I can't even imagine how he thinks 'unbundling' the fibre network would work.

Cheers - N


Let's start by "unbundling" the "fibre" network in Wellington and Christchurch that Vodafone already own.

Funny how the various owners of that network have never offered to unbundle.


You clearly don't understand the architecture of HFC - unbundling the network is basically impossible from a technical perspective.

As for offering services to other ISP's over the HFC network, over the years many have done this, and a number still do.


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  Reply # 942576 28-Nov-2013 23:55
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1) Higher speeds doesn't mean much when an individual cannot flood their connection because the international capacity for all of NZ is being held at gun point by a single organisation.

2) Chorus (in fact all the UFB installations) should simply be nationalised and told, "you don't have to pay us dividends, just keep your head above water and pull finger on the UFB installations". As soon as I saw the model they were proposing it appeared obvious it would all end in tears.

3) The CEO of Vodafone whining is rich - maybe he should focus on fixing his own organisation before he starts lecturing on how Chorus sucks.




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  Reply # 942603 29-Nov-2013 08:06
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Grandstanding to the extreme....





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  Reply # 942622 29-Nov-2013 08:30
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kawaii: 1) Higher speeds doesn't mean much when an individual cannot flood their connection because the international capacity for all of NZ is being held at gun point by a single organisation. 



This is becoming much less of an issue than what you think it is. International transit costs to the US aren't really that different to what it costs to get bits up and down the country. With 30% + of international traffic now heading to Australia rather than the US and some predicting this figure to hit 50% in the next 1-2 years or so connectivity to Australia is becoming very important, and we already have a new cable going to Australia which will increase competition on this route.



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  Reply # 942643 29-Nov-2013 08:59
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Not to mention SCC already faces competition in AU and given NZ and AU pricing is the same from SCC how much do you really think another cable would drop prices?




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  Reply # 942813 29-Nov-2013 11:10
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graemeh:
Talkiet: It struck me as nothing more than a mischievous smart alec statement... I can't even imagine how he thinks 'unbundling' the fibre network would work.

Cheers - N


Let's start by "unbundling" the "fibre" network in Wellington and Christchurch that Vodafone already own.

Funny how the various owners of that network have never offered to unbundle.


You clearly don't understand the architecture of HFC - unbundling the network is basically impossible from a technical perspective.

As for offering services to other ISP's over the HFC network, over the years many have done this, and a number still do.



It was just a smart alec statement.

I do understand the architecture and I do know that other ISPs offered service over HFC.  I did not realise that some still do.

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