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# 14990 30-Jul-2007 07:53
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"Macquarie expects the commission to set a regulated price for broadband-only lines, or Naked DSL, of about $45 a month in a separate decision due late this year."

http://stuff.co.nz/4145834a28.html

If you can get a line and phone for $45, who the hell would pay the same for dsl only...

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  # 80298 30-Jul-2007 08:28
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What's the DSL delivered on without the line? The line also has a cost.

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# 80299 30-Jul-2007 08:50
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The OP's comments are that if it costs $45 to deliver a DSL-only connection, then either Telecom is doing it at a loss today, providing free phone lines or want to bump prices to keep their revenue.

Either way is not good for consumers.

No one denies the line costs somethings. It's just the pricing that seems to be wrong.




 
 
 
 


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  # 80301 30-Jul-2007 08:55
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AFAIK the Naked DSL price is the $27 something for DSL plus the line fee and would be set/rubber stamped by some regulator.

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  # 80305 30-Jul-2007 09:13
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IMHO pricing should be somewhere in the $25 - $30 mark if a flat rate is going to be established everywhere in the country (as has been indicated). Personally I believe the rate should be lower in metropolitan areas and substancially higher in rural areas to reflect the true cost of providing the service.


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  # 80311 30-Jul-2007 10:25
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Dominion Post/NZ InfoTech, not NZ Herald to correct title of thread. Macquarie was quoted correctly. Their calculation is: UBS price of $20 + ULL cost of $25.

They comment: "The price principle for naked DSL is 'retail minus' for the bitstream, plus an allowance for cost recovery that TEL would normally make in situations where the bitstream service was provided in conjunction with an access service (ie in situations where the bitstream was not 'naked')

In a world of operational separation, this is relatively straightforward to calculate. The cost of the bitstream service has already been estimated by the commission at around $25 but the pricing methodology used is currently being reviewed and hence new estimates will be forthcoming soon. We have assumed a UBS pice of $20 per month to allow for NZCC's updated methodology.

The cost recovery for the copper loop is simply the ULL price set by NZCC. This is literally the cost that TEL's wholesale business (the provider or the UBS service) will pay ANS under an operational separation regime, hence it is hard to see how the assessed cost could differ to this.

The net result is a naked DSL price that is $20 a month or thereabouts more than the LLU price, for a total of $45 per month."

This is Macquarie's assessment, not mine, and which I am simply posting for info.
 
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  # 80329 30-Jul-2007 11:56
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ooppps, my bad! I'm just used to all the stuff ups (no pun intended) being granny herald Surprised

 
 
 
 


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  # 80374 30-Jul-2007 15:41
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so if its $45??

I dont see any benefits?

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  # 80399 30-Jul-2007 16:32
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It looks like we need to spell it out a little more.  In order to get broadband:

CURRENTLY

Paying $45 for line rental
Paying $29.95 for entry level broadband plans 256k down/128k up with some piddly amount of data
Free local calling via POTS

With NAKED DSL

Paying $45 for Broadband-only line hopefully FS/FS
Plus some sort of ISP charge
Free local calling via VoIP

Net saving $29.95 less ISP charge

Does that make more sense now?

I am guessing here as regards to the ISP charge.  Some providers may charge on a data usage only basis, with others there may be a fixed charge + data usage.  It's a little hard to say at this point.

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  # 80481 30-Jul-2007 22:33
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Im moving out soon and i was hoping it was a misprint.

Im not moving out without boardband. I had a taste of dailup... no way. However yes there is a point to this post, i was hoping that it would be like 30 bucks a month because you don't have a line but i guess i was wrong.

Im still not sure if i should just go without a phone or not. I do have a mobile but you know the prices to ring to that even though my phone sound wise can outdo any phone line i heard lol.

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  # 80496 31-Jul-2007 08:02
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Go with XNet VFX (see www.xnet.co.nz).  It is $12 per month, local calls are free, national is 5c, mobile is 30c (only because Telecom and Vodafone is keeping prices high), many internation calls are 5c, and the quality is good.  It is VoBB (like VoIP, but the network is designed for it rather than it being added to the network).




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  # 80514 31-Jul-2007 09:44
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Niel: Go with XNet VFX (see www.xnet.co.nz).  It is $12 per month, local calls are free, national is 5c, mobile is 30c (only because Telecom and Vodafone is keeping prices high), many internation calls are 5c, and the quality is good.  It is VoBB (like VoIP, but the network is designed for it rather than it being added to the network).


You still need the DSL anyway.




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  # 80515 31-Jul-2007 09:44
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Niel: Go with XNet VFX (see www.xnet.co.nz).  It is $12 per month, local calls are free, national is 5c, mobile is 30c (only because Telecom and Vodafone is keeping prices high), many internation calls are 5c, and the quality is good.  It is VoBB (like VoIP, but the network is designed for it rather than it being added to the network).


This is just an overpriced version of VOIP - you still need to pay full price for a phone line and BB connection.

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# 80516 31-Jul-2007 09:45
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Grant17: It looks like we need to spell it out a little more.  In order to get broadband:

CURRENTLY

Paying $45 for line rental
Paying $29.95 for entry level broadband plans 256k down/128k up with some piddly amount of data
Free local calling via POTS

With NAKED DSL

Paying $45 for Broadband-only line hopefully FS/FS
Plus some sort of ISP charge
Free local calling via VoIP

Net saving $29.95 less ISP charge

Does that make more sense now?

I am guessing here as regards to the ISP charge.  Some providers may charge on a data usage only basis, with others there may be a fixed charge + data usage.  It's a little hard to say at this point.


This completely makes things more expensive. You have to pay $45 for NDSL and not have a landline. So you need to sign up for a VoIP provider, plus an ISP.

At the end of the day you will be paying at least the same, if not more, for a good service and connection.





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  # 80533 31-Jul-2007 10:21
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The draft determinations set monthly rental charges for access to the local
loop service at $16.49 per month for urban areas and $32.20 per month for
non-urban areas. The draft charge for the transfer of a customer to the UCLL
service is set at $83.70.

The Commission's determinations can be found on its web site
www.comcom.govt.nz
Local loop:
IndustryRegulation/Telecommunications/StandardTermsDeterminations/UnbundledLo
calLoopService

Co-location:
IndustryRegulation/Telecommunications/StandardTermsDeterminations/UnbundledLo
calLoopCoLocationService


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