Telephone Sockets, their wiring and UFB install

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#169670 22-Mar-2015 15:41

I'm currently on ADSL2 and am about to rewire the house ( some renovations going on so better now than never) to take advantage of the fibre being laid outside the house .I'll be running cat 5e or 6 to each room and back to a central patch panel. In the interim I've also been looking at my spaghetti bt telephone wiring and have a few questions.

I believe when they eventually bring fibre into my home they can loop something back in to allow me to use my current bt phone sockets as before. The house is about 13 years old and I believe is on two wire telephone system.

I seem to have a mix of ethernet cable and white telecom cable split throughout the home. The telecom point on the outside of the house has blue ethernet bringing it into a wallplate in the kitchen which also has 3 other cables attached into it which head off in various directions around the home - giving me phone points in bedrooms, study and living room.

It would appear they are using blue and blue/white at each termination point. The question I have is does it matter which termination slots (1 to 6) the cable is pushed down into or are 1 through 3 and 4 through 6 connected together...

I had wrongly assumed that they all went to points 2 and 5 but when I look at the back of the kitchen wallplate, they appear to be taking advantage of the full range of connectors, albeit, blue's down one side and the blue/ white's down the other.

Is it possible to replace these points with newer rj45 wallplates and run cable back to my patch panel at a central location versus daisy chaining and T'eeing off boxes all over the place?

Thanks for any help

Ged

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#1265094 22-Mar-2015 15:46

InstallerUFB: if the jacks have a 2 on the front I can now say that the jkpt is a first generation 2 wire version and that it doesn't mater which of the 3 idc (insulation displacement connector) sockets on the left hand side and the which of the 3 on the right hand side you use ( as each of the 3 sets are connected together on the circuit board ) as long as one leg/wire of your cable is connected on the right hand side and the other leg/wire is connected on the left - still 'krone', or equivalent light use plastic, tool only

So basically it doesnt matter which you use, just that the blues and whites are on the correct side, Any more that you put in are to add other jackpoints to.

Yes, replaceing them with RJ45 and running cat6/5 cable to the central location would be a good idea although you then need a way to route your phone line into which ever rooms you want, maybe could be a good idea to leave the original jack in the kitchen and put a rj45 next to it

If its using blue ethernet you may have a master filter installed?

Will it be long until you can get fibre?

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#1265134 22-Mar-2015 16:17

Ditch all BT jacks and wiring. Run all cables back to patch panel. You can jumper a few patches together for multiple POTS/VoIP distribution. If ONT cannot be practically installed in central comms area, run 3x cable runs to suitable ONT install location.

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#1269301 27-Mar-2015 21:53

gedc: I believe when they eventually bring fibre into my home they can loop something back in to allow me to use my current bt phone sockets as before. The house is about 13 years old and I believe is on two wire telephone system.

Yes they will do that by default, but your internet provider may provide the phone service as from a new VoIP router they normally supply. Best to check with the chorus installer what you need to do to connect the BT outlets into the router's VoIP outlet, because your internet provider may have no idea.

gedc: It would appear they are using blue and blue/white at each termination point. The question I have is does it matter which termination slots (1 to 6) the cable is pushed down into or are 1 through 3 and 4 through 6 connected together...

Yup, its blue on one side and white on the other, hence being a "2-wire" outlet because only needs 2 wires connected per cable. There should be a "2" on the front of the outlet.

gedc: Is it possible to replace these points with newer rj45 wallplates and run cable back to my patch panel at a central location versus daisy chaining and T'eeing off boxes all over the place?

Definitely better to put in new RJ45 outets, but might be convenient to keep the old ones just for phones if some locations are hard to get to.

New Cat.6 cables can handle ethernet connections up to Gigabit speed, so the main reason to replace the old cables is to enable new ways of getting internet that you couldn't do before. Work out where and how things will fit at that central "hub", and how much space you will need. This could include TV aerial/satellite splitters etc, the Cat.6 patch panel, a LAN switch, the internet/VoIP router, a multimedia box (eg my sky etc), any computer hardware you want hidden away, and the fibre ONT.

You should also work out what potential requirements you might have in future, eg your living room might have an alternative spot you could move the TV to in future, you might put a printer in the study along with computer and some other device, you might need a high up outlet for a wireless extender, and/or you might plan for some IP cameras or a door intercom one day. If you don't want some of them live straight away, perhaps just put a blanked faceplate until you know how it will be used.

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#1276621 3-Apr-2015 09:30

Thanks for all the above replies. I understood most of it fairly well apart from Coffeebaron but don't take that as personally l very much appreciate your input. It's more about me coming upto speed with this stuff. Traced the blue ethernet cable back to the telecom termination / entry point on the outside wall. No filter by looks of things. It connects upto a couple of wires from the street side then runs into my wall, over the rafters and down into the kitchen socket where all other sockets appear to be daisy chained or T'eed off it

I need to run a skybox telephone point in the new room as an afterthought before the walls are gibbed shortly. Given I can't seem to find telephone cable locally in Christchurch apart from the 5 metre stuff with a moulded plug on each end - tried DSE, Jaycar and a few others online - can I use cat5e and just use the 2 wires inside that and wrap the rest back ? I have heaps of that lying around hence the question. Thanks again

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#1276631 3-Apr-2015 10:00

gedc: Thanks for all the above replies. I understood most of it fairly well apart from Coffeebaron but don't take that as personally l very much appreciate your input. It's more about me coming upto speed with this stuff. Traced the blue ethernet cable back to the telecom termination / entry point on the outside wall. No filter by looks of things. It connects upto a couple of wires from the street side then runs into my wall, over the rafters and down into the kitchen socket where all other sockets appear to be daisy chained or T'eed off it

I need to run a skybox telephone point in the new room as an afterthought before the walls are gibbed shortly. Given I can't seem to find telephone cable locally in Christchurch apart from the 5 metre stuff with a moulded plug on each end - tried DSE, Jaycar and a few others online - can I use cat5e and just use the 2 wires inside that and wrap the rest back ? I have heaps of that lying around hence the question. Thanks again

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You said "I'll be running cat 5e or 6 to each room and back to a central patch panel", so forget about "phone wiring", the patch panel is what will be used to distribute phones and network.

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#1276640 3-Apr-2015 10:32

Yep, what coffeebarron said.

Have Cat5e/6 cable to every point you might want a phone or network (if you want both run 2), personally I'd run 2 to every point and 4 to the TV. The phone connection (whatever that might be) goes to the patch panel too.
The panel has a ports with your house wiring connected, a network switch, ports for phone connections, and a bunch of short network patch cables.

If you want a wall jack to be a phone connection, patch it into the phone , if it needs to be a network port, patch it into the network switch.

If your needs change later, and you need a phone line in a different place, just patch it in. If you need a direct connection from one room to another, maybe for an IR extender, just patch those two ports together.

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#1276652 3-Apr-2015 11:04

Thanks again for the updates. I'm running cat 6 for the data but have oodles of cat 5e lying around in the loft from previous hook ups. Can I use the cat5e for the phone and the cat6 for the data ? Will it cause any issues at the patch panel end or will I need a couple of different panels - one for the phone stuff and the other for the data ?

Again. Thanks for the help

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#1276666 3-Apr-2015 11:36

gedc: Thanks again for the updates. I'm running cat 6 for the data but have oodles of cat 5e lying around in the loft from previous hook ups. Can I use the cat5e for the phone and the cat6 for the data ? Will it cause any issues at the patch panel end or will I need a couple of different panels - one for the phone stuff and the other for the data ?

Again. Thanks for the help

You could if you want but you should treat all points the same whether you think you will use them for phone or data

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#1276669 3-Apr-2015 11:41

In reality for home use, cat5e and cat6 are pretty much equal. You can mix and match no problems. You won't get any better or worse performance out of either. Cat6 is a pig to work with though.

Treat every point you install as a network port not a phone port.

People often talk of future proofing, but I'm not convinced that's sensible or even possible. If you'd future proofed before @ 2000, you'd have used cat5 (not cat5e), which is no good for gigabit Ethernet.

There may be a point in the future where cat5e is insufficient for your needs, but cat6 will probably be no good then either. IMO, use cable that suits your needs now, or for the foreseeable future.

As long as you have access to the roof space (assuming you're running the cables through the roof) and you don't take nasty twisty routes down and across walls you can use the cable you install now to pull something else in the future.

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#1276680 3-Apr-2015 12:32

Cool. Thanks for that. The Cat 6 is already run and in the walls now. I used most of the Cat6 drum I purchased a couple of weeks back - have about 20 ports around the house in various bedrooms, TV room and kids rumpus etc. . The majority of these ports are for data, desktops, accessing central NAS with an HTPC etc.

I'll run additional ports for primarily phone positions ( but appreciate they can be used for other things ).

I'll be back once they are run etc to no doubt ask more questions.

Thanks again

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#1276703 3-Apr-2015 13:03

Sounds like this is way too late, but.

Label/number every cable both ends as you run them. Make it permanent so you can identify cables in the future.

Don't skimp on length at either end. You'll be surprised how things that seemed long enough are suddenly a bit too short. For a run to standard powerpoint height @300mm off the floor, I'd make the cable touch the ground. For your patch panel, you probably want the cable to come 300-500mm below the bottom of the panel.

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#1276753 3-Apr-2015 14:53

I never bother with labelling cables, I just run them all and tone as I patch them. Then of course label the ports or draw a map.

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#1276768 3-Apr-2015 16:02

Why do you need phone wiring all thru the house?

Multi handset dect phones are so cheap and better functionaly because you get shared phonebooks etc on them usuall.

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