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# 18163 30-Dec-2007 14:31
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This could well be better suited for a networking topic, however it does relate to broadband, ndsl and voip.

Does anyone know where I can get RJ45, or RJ45+BT, or RJ45+BT+BT wallplates?, my first bet was dse however they are asking a rather large price per unit, are these avalible elsewhere cheaper or am I dreaming?

Heres what I plan to do, I have a phone jack next to all my networking gear and computer where I would usually plug my broadband into, now I still wish to do this but I would also like to isolate the house from the telecom network so I can plug my voip adaptor straight in and connect all the telephone jacks around the house, I could get away with a simple 2xBT wall plate.

The reason I would like something with RJ45 is so I can run a cable to this jack to another downstairs where I have a media pc and plug it into the jac rather than have messy cables sticking out of holes.

Thoughts?, Maybe I should just go with 2xBT?

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  # 102294 30-Dec-2007 14:54
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I have a source for wallplates, I just got some RJ45 and RJ11 ones. I'll PM you about it. Wink

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  # 102303 30-Dec-2007 15:33
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Why do you need RJ45 + BT?

Any structured system these days uses RJ45 for everything which is a lot simpler if you want to move things around. Depending on how you want to hook up your phones you can then just use RJ12<->RJ12 cables for your phones if you want to use them for an ATA for VoIP or have a phone distribution board with capacitor, surge arrestor and test point or RJ45->BT dongles if you don't have one of these.

The best option for faceplates is to just use regular PDL switchplates which are available with 1-8 holes in them and allow you to use standard cat5e keystones (with a small adapter) or BT sockets which are all modular so just clip in. If you visit your local electrical wholesaler they'll have everything you need.


 
 
 
 


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  # 102305 30-Dec-2007 15:48
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Exactly what Sbiddle said. We got a standard wallplate and put in the cat5 keystone.

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  # 102316 30-Dec-2007 17:43
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PDL make wallplates and the little sockets to go in them for everything you could possibly need. I got mine for the lounge from Corys.




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  # 102326 30-Dec-2007 20:15
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MasterTrade ...

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  # 102329 30-Dec-2007 20:22
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signz:
MasterTrade ...


At least in Wellington it's hard to get a good range of data stuff at Mastertrade, you have to go to Corys. Corys also have a big store in Taranaki St that specialises in data.



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  # 102334 30-Dec-2007 21:36
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Cool I never new you could get we modular plugins for PDL plates, and I never new Cory's existed but it looks like there is one in dunedin so I will go check it out sometime.

The reason I want BT plugs is the house has an existing POTS setup, I want to split the internal POTS from the outside and have two BT jacks on that panel, In & Out if you will, Out is where I would plug my NDSL and In would be where my VOIP device plugs into the existing POTS system making the voip avalible around the house. Also, its not very hard to covert back to full POTS by linking the two jacks internally or even externally if I made a small cable.

The RJ45 is just to run a cable downstairs without drilling holes and keeping things looking tidy.

Thanks for the input :D

 
 
 
 


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  # 102335 30-Dec-2007 21:36
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http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/ have a good range of stuff. These are handy to for connecting router / phones etc to RJ45 socket:
http://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/search?quickfind_needle=C-RJ1245-2

I suggest running CAT5 or 6 cable from Telco demarcation point to RJ45 socket near your router. Use the "blue pair" of the CAT5/6 cable, as this will correspond to the correct RJ45 pins. Then use the above cable to connect to router.




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  # 102337 30-Dec-2007 21:39
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There is existing cable, two pair cable I think running to the jack by the router, I was planning on using that to connect to the router and the other pair on the same table to continue the loop back into the internal POTS setup.

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  # 102528 2-Jan-2008 08:59
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Hi, all the others have covered the issues well enough, but just one point, that Steve (Sbiddle) mentioned, why have BT sockets at all. I pretty much refuse to install them now. According to PTC106 Telecom are now prefering that homes are wired only with RJ45 (not a BT jack in sight) and setup just like commercial structured cabling has been for years.

Over the last couple of years I have wired dozens of homes using commercial structured cabling with a central Cat5e jack panel and cat5e to RJ45 jacks throughout the house, normally I leave a couple of RJ45-RJ11 line cords for owners to connect there phones with, however you can get RJ45>BT adaptors from MasterTrade or DSE, and as linked above you can readily get RJ45-RJ11 linecords.

RJ45 keystone jacks are way cheaper than BT mechs for PDL plates, like Jamman I have a large supply of RJ45 keystone sockets at a fifth the price you will pay in the suppliers, PM me if you want some. All you will need is the PDL keystone clip ($1.5) and a blank PDL plate with as many mech holes as you want (they come in 1-6 holes) the plates are around $5. BT mechs for PDL plates are around $20-$25 and there is no real cheaper source than that, so why use them.

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  # 102531 2-Jan-2008 09:57
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You guys rock, thanks so much for the advice. I will be doing rj45 only for sure now, and I will PM you for sure closer to the time I do this.

Thanks a lot.

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  # 102950 4-Jan-2008 18:30
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I agree, dont use BT in your internal wiring.

You dont need to use PDL plates then, since they are the only ones that have BT available for it, clipsal and HPM have proper RJ45's available, whereas the PDL you normally use a keystone to PDL adaptor, but they only have a cutout for rj45 so you cant put in all the other cool keystone modules like F or RCA or svideo etc.

Yeah, and the price of the BTs for the PDL plates is crazy high.




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  # 102951 4-Jan-2008 18:42
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what about these products?, they seem really nicely priced. https://www.cablesdirect.co.nz/catalog/entry?entry=93

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  # 102952 4-Jan-2008 18:59
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richms:  whereas the PDL you normally use a keystone to PDL adaptor, but they only have a cutout for rj45 so you cant put in all the other cool keystone modules like F or RCA or svideo etc.



I'm not sure what you mean by this - there plenty of modules for the PDL's. I've use the F and RCA ones a lot for wiring.

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  # 102982 5-Jan-2008 00:12
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Yes, but those are pdl specific modules, not generic keystone type like you can use in a patch panel etc.

Also I haven;t recently looked at the PDL ones with RCAs, but last time I did they just had a grotty panel mount one with soldertabs in a fancy piece of plastic - Whereas there are coloured keystone RCA's with an F connector on the back of them so its much better then a soldered connection, they do have more colours then when I last looked.

There is no way to pop a keystone into a pdl plate and have the whole module come thru the front, so things like the svideo passthru ones are a no go, not that svideo is too relevent thesedays.

I guess if you have PDL powerpoints it makes sense to keep them the same.




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