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#199000 31-Jul-2016 14:26

Hi There,

Can anyone suggest a good UFB Modem that can be use with the ONT. I previously had a Slingshot supplied NF4V but it wasn't that great so I went out and brought a Netgear R8500 WIFI Router, i had this running great with VLAN Tagging and PPPOE plugged straight into the ONT.

My problems started happening when I set up port aggregation on the R8500 to my Netgear ReadyNas 202. Long story short after lots of emails with Netgears support team is that VLAN tagging between the R8500 and the ReadyNas is not supported, and they suggested either bridging the NF4V and taking VLAN Tagging off the R8500 or using a UFB Modem between the ONT and R8500. After hours off trying to get the NF4V into bridge mode and talking to the R8500 i gave several Slingshot operators a call, as soon as they herd I had a third party Router and was trying to put their NF4V into bridge mode they did not want to know about it, basically saying that they are not trained or the device does not support bridging.

So i guess the next step is to purchase a UFB modem without the smarts ie, router/wifi etc...

Will this do the trick, Draytek Vigor 130 VDSL/ADSL+ Modem/Router with bridge PPPOE/PPPOA pass thru.

Thanks for any feedback.

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#1601707 31-Jul-2016 14:44

Why are you not just using the R8500 to replace the NF4V? It supports VLAN tagging on the WAN so there is no need for you to buy new hardware.

There isn't really such a concept as "bridge" mode in UFB. This is a concept from the xDSL days. You either replace your ISP router with a 3rd party one, if you simply buy two router's you'll have double NAT.

There is also no such thing as a "modem" in the UFB. The ONT is what performs this task.

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#1601711 31-Jul-2016 14:49

Hi there,

My intention is to just use the R8500 with VLAN tagging but because i cant use the port aggregation between the R8500 and the Netgear ReadyNas i have to take the VLAN tagging off, which means using a modem between the ONT and the R8500.

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#1601712 31-Jul-2016 14:52

melmat:

Hi there,

My intention is to just use the R8500 with VLAN tagging but because i cant use the port aggregation between the R8500 and the Netgear ReadyNas i have to take the VLAN tagging off, which means using a modem between the ONT and the R8500.

That can't work because you'll then have double NAT. That's why I was explaining there is no such thing as "bridge" mode in the UFB world.

You need a Mikrotik or managed switch to handle the VLAN tagging. I wrote a guide on here about using a Mikrotik to handle this, but a 2nd hand managed switch would be cheaper.

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#1601715 31-Jul-2016 14:59

sbiddle:

melmat:

Hi there,

My intention is to just use the R8500 with VLAN tagging but because i cant use the port aggregation between the R8500 and the Netgear ReadyNas i have to take the VLAN tagging off, which means using a modem between the ONT and the R8500.

That can't work because you'll then have double NAT. That's why I was explaining there is no such thing as "bridge" mode in the UFB world.

You need a Mikrotik or managed switch to handle the VLAN tagging. I wrote a guide on here about using a Mikrotik to handle this, but a 2nd hand managed switch would be cheaper.

Oh ok,

Thanks sbiddle, so my setup would be ONT to the NETGEAR R8500 with VLAN Tagging then plug the 2x port aggregation ports from the R8500 into a port agrregated managed switch then to the dual port aggregated ReadyNas with VLAN tagging??

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#1601717 31-Jul-2016 15:06

Are you using VLANs on your internal network, do you need to?

BTW, the DV130 you mentioned is an xDSL modem. You need (and already have) a router.

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#1601722 31-Jul-2016 15:17

Im trying to understand why port aggregation is an issue?...

Are you trying to use your NAS as a router? If not the set up should be quite simply....

ONT ("fibre modem" ie the box on the wall) ------- R8500(wan with vlan 10 tagged)/R8500 (lan with whatever set up you want) ======= NAS

As a totally separate note... I would also suggest port aggregation on a home nas device is probably not going to do anything fantastic for performance anyway (as in won't make a noticeable difference for day-to-day stuff).

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#1601723 31-Jul-2016 15:20

RunningMan:

Are you using VLANs on your internal network, do you need to?

BTW, the DV130 you mentioned is an xDSL modem. You need (and already have) a router.

Thanks,

Yes I am using VLAN tagging on the internal network only because with the setup there is no option just to tag the WAN so i have all the LAN ports tagged. And when i try to untag ports 1 and 2 which are the port aggregation ports that's when I lose connection to the WAN. And that's where Netgear support says port aggregation with VLAN Tagging is limited.

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#1601734 31-Jul-2016 15:29

chevrolux:

Im trying to understand why port aggregation is an issue?...

Are you trying to use your NAS as a router? If not the set up should be quite simply....

ONT ("fibre modem" ie the box on the wall) ------- R8500(wan with vlan 10 tagged)/R8500 (lan with whatever set up you want) ======= NAS

As a totally separate note... I would also suggest port aggregation on a home nas device is probably not going to do anything fantastic for performance anyway (as in won't make a noticeable difference for day-to-day stuff).

Thanks chevrolux,

Yes that's the setup i currently have, i have the port aggregation disabled on the Nas and just one port from the R8500 to the Nas enabled. Its working ok but the reason i brought the R8500 and the Dual gigabit ReadyNas was for the port aggregation feature which does work extremely well as i copy lots of data to and from computer to the Nas box.

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#1601735 31-Jul-2016 15:30

I too would question why you need port aggregation to deliver 2Gbps to the NAS when the NAS throughput is going to be nowhere even near 1Gbps.

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#1601738 31-Jul-2016 15:39

Ok,

So if we put the issue of the port aggregation to one side, is there a way to connect the R8500 to the ONT-UFB without VLAN Tagging?

Thanks.

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#1601739 31-Jul-2016 15:39

melmat:

sbiddle:

melmat:

Hi there,

My intention is to just use the R8500 with VLAN tagging but because i cant use the port aggregation between the R8500 and the Netgear ReadyNas i have to take the VLAN tagging off, which means using a modem between the ONT and the R8500.

That can't work because you'll then have double NAT. That's why I was explaining there is no such thing as "bridge" mode in the UFB world.

You need a Mikrotik or managed switch to handle the VLAN tagging. I wrote a guide on here about using a Mikrotik to handle this, but a 2nd hand managed switch would be cheaper.

Oh ok,

Thanks sbiddle, so my setup would be ONT to the NETGEAR R8500 with VLAN Tagging then plug the 2x port aggregation ports from the R8500 into a port agrregated managed switch then to the dual port aggregated ReadyNas with VLAN tagging??

No it would be ONT to Mikrotik/managed switch to R8500.

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#1601740 31-Jul-2016 15:40

melmat:

Ok,

So if we put the issue of the port aggregation to one side, is there a way to connect the R8500 to the ONT-UFB without VLAN Tagging?

Thanks.

No. You need a VLAN tag for that to work. You will need a Mikrotik or managed switch to do this.

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#1601742 31-Jul-2016 15:42

The most logical setup would simply be ONT to R8500 -> NAS

I don't see how link aggregation could offer any benefits to a NAS that only supports a maximum of 200Mbps read/write speed. If you've got it connected via Gibagit the NAS becomes the bottleneck, not the connection.

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#1601744 31-Jul-2016 15:43

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melmat:

Ok,

So if we put the issue of the port aggregation to one side, is there a way to connect the R8500 to the ONT-UFB without VLAN Tagging?

Thanks.

No. You need a VLAN tag for that to work. You will need a Mikrotik or managed switch to do this.

Ok,

Thanks sbiddle, that looks like the way to go, ive been trying to find the setup guide you have, do you have a link please?

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#1601755 31-Jul-2016 16:11

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/sbiddle/8744

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