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Topic # 201405 17-Aug-2016 11:17
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A family lives in rural Northland, and UFB is not coming to their short road.  But ... it's tantalisingly close running down the main road.

 

The current internet on their street is ADSL and glacier slow - too slow for internet banking at times, always too slow for streaming.

 

Two thirds of the property owners on the small road are interested in paying for UFB to be extended down their road.  The other owners are absentee owners or people with limited interest in the internet.

 

But they are having trouble getting useful info. Is is there a standard approach to this type of situation?  For example: -

 

They have been told they would have to meet some of the capital costs, and would have to wait sometime for resource to become available.

 

How much % would they have to pay?

 

Who owns capital items that property owners (part) pay for, who maintain/replaces them?

 

If Chorus will get extra revenue from the additional UFB connection, surely there must be some contribution from them?

 

Can property owners who don't contribute to the UFB extension change their minds later or if the properties are purchased by someone who wants in? 

 

If yes do they have to contribute to capital costs, and will the original funders be reimbursed?

 

Any advice appreciated.

 

 





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  Reply # 1613131 17-Aug-2016 11:34
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There may be a couple of options. First, the family could possibly contact the Chorus Subdivision Group on 0800 782 386 and advise them of the road details and that two thirds of the residents amay be interested in getting fibre. It's possible that something could come out of that, although in my experience the Subdivision Group will literally only deal with new subdivisions.

 

The other option is for each resident to approach their own retail provider to request a Chorus "NGA On Application" request. Under this process, the retailer will ask Chorus to investigate viability of extending the network to an individual address. If it is feasible, Chorus will provide an indicative cost. If that figure is palatable by the customer, Chorus can proceed to formal quote stage. If the customer accepts the quote, Chorus will proceed to full network build stage. Note that this process is only for individual addresses - you cannot request a bulk NGA On Application order for multiple addresses, so this may not be useful in the situation outlined by the OP.

 

Of course, somebody from Chorus on GZ may have some better ideas - the above are just the two processes I have utilised for my customers in the past, however neither of these options is cheap - generally speaking the full cost of extending the network is passed onto the developer (for subdivisions) or the requesting customer (for NGA On Application).

 

 





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  Reply # 1613140 17-Aug-2016 11:45
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As to ownership etc. 

 

If you got it over the line, Chorus would own everything, and they would keep all the income from it - you and your neighbours would have no 'rights' over it. If new people wanted to connect to it, providing there is capacity, then they will just connect to it as normal.


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  Reply # 1613142 17-Aug-2016 11:56
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Where a community group gets together and wants to fund the rollout of network or to upgrade the service available, Chorus will do this, so long as all the costs are covered by those requesting the upgrade.

 

We have done a dozen or more of these in the last 18 months.

 

BUT, just because there is fibre in a nearby road does not guarantee that there is a UFB service available.  Many times the fibre that folks are seeking to connect to is a transmission line, with no local access services running across it, so a breakout and local access build is required before any service leads to local properties get built.  And fibre is not like a gas or water pipe, you cannot just cut into it, you have to go back to the nearest splicing pit where you can make a joint, then feed local access fibre to the property from there.  These can sometimes be kilometres away from the property requesting service. Also, fibre might only be carrying point-to-point services as there may not be any GPON platform in the area.

 

Every request is different.

 

If you are only interested in a single property ask your ISP to request a feasibility to deliver fibre under the NGA on Request process.

 

If there is serious interest from a group of residents who want to work together to share the cost, DM me the details of all the properties concerned and I will get you some idea of what service is available at that location, the work involved to deliver a fibre service and a cost estimate.

 

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  Reply # 1613151 17-Aug-2016 12:09
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Is there anyone in NZ that is independently of the incumbent telco putting fibre in to small (rural) communities?  Places that might not make economic sense for a larger organisation.

 

What are the obstacles for laying ducts in the road reserve? Where are people getting backhaul from? Are people doing small B4RN (http://b4rn.org.uk/) style projects here?


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  Reply # 1613157 17-Aug-2016 12:18
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I know that Datalight (http://www.opto.net.nz/) have put fibre reticulation into some very rural valleys just to serve the farmers. Maybe contact them.


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  Reply # 1613182 17-Aug-2016 12:29
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Rural Northland -- where?  The Whangarei LFC is Northpower, not Chorus.


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  Reply # 1613190 17-Aug-2016 12:36
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deadlyllama:

 

Rural Northland -- where?  The Whangarei LFC is Northpower, not Chorus.

 

 

Indeed, although there is a small amount of Chorus UFB near Kerikeri, and a bit more near the Auckland border.




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  Reply # 1613324 17-Aug-2016 16:05
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Thanks for the feedback.

 

It's near Kerikeri.  Certainly there were Chorus branded vehicles doing the UFB install nearby. Family know couple of people on the nearby main road who have connected to UFB, so it isn't just a transmission line.  quit few businesses along there too.

 

I think I have all the info I need for now.  Not advanced enough to start messaging anyone, but appreciate.

 

Only problem I can see is the coalition of the willing (about 15 property owners) probably won't like the idea of properties who don't contribute upfront being able to seagull in later. 





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  Reply # 1613329 17-Aug-2016 16:18
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gregb:

Is there anyone in NZ that is independently of the incumbent telco putting fibre in to small (rural) communities?  Places that might not make economic sense for a larger organisation.


What are the obstacles for laying ducts in the road reserve? Where are people getting backhaul from? Are people doing small B4RN (http://b4rn.org.uk/) style projects here?

https://www.inspire.net.nz/help/darkfibre.html

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  Reply # 1613335 17-Aug-2016 16:30
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MadEngineer:
gregb:

 

Is there anyone in NZ that is independently of the incumbent telco putting fibre in to small (rural) communities?  Places that might not make economic sense for a larger organisation.

 

 

 

What are the obstacles for laying ducts in the road reserve? Where are people getting backhaul from? Are people doing small B4RN (http://b4rn.org.uk/) style projects here?

 

https://www.inspire.net.nz/help/darkfibre.html

 

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I've heard they're happy to work with others to put fibre in when the road is getting dug up anyway, too.


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