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Topic # 215053 10-Jun-2017 03:20
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Just wondering if anyone has received an Internet 'Copyright Infringement Notice' within the last 12 months?

 

A few years ago the media companies seemed to be pretty much giving up, but it would be interesting to see if they are still plugging away...

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  Reply # 1797594 10-Jun-2017 08:32
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No idea. I imagine movies are the main theme for downloaders but with NF,etc thats likely to have dropped off massively. TV series, Id say they don't care. Sports, probably don't care. 

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  Reply # 1797596 10-Jun-2017 08:41
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From Memory it was only RIANZ et al (music owners etc) who ever used this mechanism, so only people torrenting/seeding music

 

As far as I can remember the Movie/TV studios never used the NZ system to ping users as they objected to the high fee they had to pay to file each notice....

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1797598 10-Jun-2017 08:45
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Oh yeah, music. Spotify etc has probably made that a really low issue now too.

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  Reply # 1797609 10-Jun-2017 09:31
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These days there are all kinds of dodgy sites like Kisscartoon and Gomovies direct streaming popular content. People who want to do this kind of thing don't really need to torrent any longer.

 

 

 

 




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wellygary:

 

...as they objected to the high fee they had to pay to file each notice....

 

 

 

 

But they are losing hundreds of millions, if not BILLIONS, to piracy. Surely a few $25 fees to send letters out would be worth it...

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  Reply # 1797624 10-Jun-2017 10:24
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sidefx:

 

wellygary:

 

...as they objected to the high fee they had to pay to file each notice....

 

 

 

 

But they are losing hundreds of millions, if not BILLIONS, to piracy. Surely a few $25 fees to send letters out would be worth it...

 

 

Don't they also have to pay the ISPs for their time to link the IP to an account at the specified time too?

 

They're not losing anything anyway -  they're just making less and most of that's their own fault - they were so slow on the uptake of digital distribution - people were asking for it for years. I guess the music execs were too busy snorting the outrageous profits up their noses to notice their customer base finding workarounds.




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  Reply # 1797625 10-Jun-2017 10:27
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I Work for an ISP and we get one every now and then but as they refuse to pay the $$ to send the notices out nothing gets sent to our end users. If we notice a user that get a number of them in a short time we give them a friendly email to remind them of the law but that does not happen more that a couple of times a year.

 

 

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Same here, we get automated ones from ip-echelon - about one or two a week, but they just come as a format which isnt legally compatible with the NZ notice framework so they just get deleted.

 

We have only ever had one notice which complied, and when we sent our standard invoice/progress forward form, they angrily replied saying they shouldnt have to pay for our time and labour. Forwarded them to the 3-strikes copyright info website and never heard from them again.

 

I suspect the $25 is the sweet spot between abuse (think DMCA) and actual genuine interest in the process by content rights owners.

 

 




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  Reply # 1797638 10-Jun-2017 11:16
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NZ is open for piracy, copyright owners will never afford the hundreds of millions it would cost to enforce 3 strikes.

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  Reply # 1797703 10-Jun-2017 13:22
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Nah, save a few music notices which ended up hurting some single Mums whose kids didn't have money to buy CDs the notices were ineffective and expensive for what the media companies wanted: rights to mass file notices with whatever IP addresses they could scratch up.

 

The media companies had to contract the company to find the IP addresses and then pay to file a notice so when they realised the costs couldn't be externalised they decided it wasn't worth pursuing the "lost billions" in annual sales. :crylaughingemoji:

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  Reply # 1797738 10-Jun-2017 15:33
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I would happily frame one, but alas have no received one yet.

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  Reply # 1797770 10-Jun-2017 17:27
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There has been no tribunal action against any individual since late 2014 iirc

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raytaylor:

 

Same here, we get automated ones from ip-echelon - about one or two a week, but they just come as a format which isnt legally compatible with the NZ notice framework so they just get deleted.

 

We have only ever had one notice which complied, and when we sent our standard invoice/progress forward form, they angrily replied saying they shouldnt have to pay for our time and labour. Forwarded them to the 3-strikes copyright info website and never heard from them again.

 

I suspect the $25 is the sweet spot between abuse (think DMCA) and actual genuine interest in the process by content rights owners.

 

 

 

I was one of the people who was angry at National for bringing this system in, thinking they were bending over backwards to the powerful copyright holders in the US. I'm now happy to admit I was wrong and it was actually a stroke of genius. They got it exactly right - the fee is low enough to be reasonable in cases of actual abuse causing financial loss, but high enough that it strongly discourages low-effort trawling. As the latter makes up ~100% of all copyright enforcement action, the legislation had the effect of effectively killing copyright trolling in NZ. Bravo.

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  Reply # 1801893 16-Jun-2017 09:23
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Looks like about 1500 notices were sent last year, with 2 people at risk of conviction this year:

 

http://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/latest-news/news/some-three-strikes-information-not-collected?utm_source=LawPoints+14+June+2017&utm_campaign=b21208ef14-2017-04-06_LawPoints-366&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71dcf90d85-b21208ef14-41567621 

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sxz:

 

Looks like about 1500 notices were sent last year, with 2 people at risk of conviction this year:

 

http://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/latest-news/news/some-three-strikes-information-not-collected?utm_source=LawPoints+14+June+2017&utm_campaign=b21208ef14-2017-04-06_LawPoints-366&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_71dcf90d85-b21208ef14-41567621 

 

 

 

 

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