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Topic # 223437 29-Sep-2017 12:20
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Consumer NZ spell out why fixed broadband beats wireless. Check out the article here and see for yourself.

 

https://www.consumer.org.nz/articles/sparks-wireless-claims-dont-stack-up


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  Reply # 1874654 29-Sep-2017 12:26
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A lot of people simply don't understand why wired is faster. I've tried to explain it to a mate of mine several times.


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  Reply # 1874677 29-Sep-2017 12:59
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Wireless is great in many situations, it does not suit everyone. 

 

Low volume customer's, It's a great option as they do avoid potential faults. That's not to say a fault can't occur with a tower though! just is generally more rare.

 

Biggest downside for copper network is water ingress, this has to be the #1 fault driver that i see pass through my area of the business. 

 

Personally, i could not survive on Wireless, i also could not realistically say it is fair to put my average load on a tower. But as a redundant backup connection, i'd love to have a decent fixed Wireless option available. 

 

@chorusnz i'd probably feedback that the speed values specified is incorrect "(with possible speeds of up to 70Mbps depending on your distance from an exchange)"





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  Reply # 1874679 29-Sep-2017 13:03
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Fixed UFB maybe better but only if orders to install don't get lost I no man's land or caught in the mysterious UFB blackhole




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  Reply # 1874696 29-Sep-2017 13:42
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I recently helped my mother arrange a fibre landline in a new house.

 

Spark offered to give her a temporary wireless option while waiting for fibre at no extra cost. This seemed like a great option as there was delays at Enable's end.

 

However because the local area was congested she went on a wait-list for wireless and ended up getting fibre before the wireless became available which was not so great.  

 

   


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  Reply # 1874708 29-Sep-2017 13:56
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DarthKermit:

 

A lot of people simply don't understand why wired is faster. I've tried to explain it to a mate of mine several times.

 

 

It's not faster if it's DSL.

 

Whether at home or office my phone gets around 80Mb/sec whereas VDSL at home tops out at around 32Mb/sec.

 

 


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  Reply # 1874804 29-Sep-2017 15:02
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I take it you can't get UFB yet?


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  Reply # 1874807 29-Sep-2017 15:05
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DarthKermit:

 

I take it you can't get UFB yet?

 

 

We can get it if the neighbours can get their sh*t together. We're up a shared driveway and one of the neighbours is trying. We've signed the Chorus consent form a couple of times and so far it hasn't happened. The form came to us with a plan showing spur lines running to each house (five of them) off the driveway.

 

Once someone gets this going I'll probably get it.

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1874809 29-Sep-2017 15:23
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Wireless certainly has it's place. 

 

It is FAR superior to the 1.2Mbps we can get over DSL. 

 

Yes we are rural - those are our options. Wireless has enabled us to work from home without having to think about it too much. 


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  Reply # 1874811 29-Sep-2017 15:24
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kryptonjohn:

 

DarthKermit:

 

I take it you can't get UFB yet?

 

 

We can get it if the neighbours can get their sh*t together. We're up a shared driveway and one of the neighbours is trying. We've signed the Chorus consent form a couple of times and so far it hasn't happened. The form came to us with a plan showing spur lines running to each house (five of them) off the driveway.

 

Once someone gets this going I'll probably get it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similar issue as me, except one neighbour cant be bothered responding to consent so that should fall into the implied consent category now..

 

Nothing has happened with the law change either last I checked with Chorus


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  Reply # 1874813 29-Sep-2017 15:30
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I have been on RBI for a few years. It is the only choice for our location. At first it was fantastic, especially coming from dial-up. Then the quality become spotty at times and it has gone up and down ever since. Most of the time it is okay, but it often really goes to pieces during school holidays and on weekends. Congestion is the issue and I don't know why they don't increase the capacity of our mast since this is a regular thing, but I don't know what is involved in that. 

 

On dial-up, I felt ignored and left behind for years. Now I am starting to feel the same again on RBI. Often, if I want to stream something in the evening, I get unacceptable buffering. With adaptive streaming I often cannot force the connection to a lower resolution. With 1080p and higher, I often cannot stream at all. And now the talk is all about 4K streaming and even 8K in the near future. Once again we are being left in the dust. I feel like we will never catch up here.

 

 





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  Reply # 1874817 29-Sep-2017 15:35
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I'm also keen to see WBB options move to LTE CA, That will be the next step up where we start to see 150Mbit speeds regularly...





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  Reply # 1874822 29-Sep-2017 15:49
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In 2016, there were 1,176,000 copper line connections. Chorus reported 35,084 faults on the copper network in August, equivalent to 3% of connections for the month.

 

Or said another way if you extrapolate that across the whole customer base everyone will log a fault with their copper service at least once every 3 years.

 

Would love to see annual figures from Chorus about the number of faults across the whole customer base, and the number of repeat calls, no fault found to then have a return visit where the lead in needed to be replaced or a won't repair as that would tell a far more accurate picture on the state of the copper network rather than a single view for one month.

 

Compare that to Wireless with granted 120GB Cap, but for low users with poor DSL it makes complete sense.

 

 








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  Reply # 1874848 29-Sep-2017 16:18
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Hi hio77, technically VDSL can go a little higher, but we think it's good to set the upper expectation for speeds at 70Mbps: it's achievable by any VDSL user given the right distance from the exchange. When we deploy vectoring, where possible, in rural areas and in those that don’t have Chorus fibre, the speeds we see will increase again (dramatically in some instances). ^Mike


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  Reply # 1874857 29-Sep-2017 16:45
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robcreid:

 

I recently helped my mother arrange a fibre landline in a new house.

 

Spark offered to give her a temporary wireless option while waiting for fibre at no extra cost. This seemed like a great option as there was delays at Enable's end.

 

However because the local area was congested she went on a wait-list for wireless and ended up getting fibre before the wireless became available which was not so great.  

 

   

 

 

 

 

I didn't know there were waiting lists for fixed wireless.


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  Reply # 1874859 29-Sep-2017 16:55
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Chorusnz:

 

Hi hio77, technically VDSL can go a little higher, but we think it's good to set the upper expectation for speeds at 70Mbps: it's achievable by any VDSL user given the right distance from the exchange. When we deploy vectoring, where possible, in rural areas and in those that don’t have Chorus fibre, the speeds we see will increase again (dramatically in some instances). ^Mike 

 

 

 

 

my comments were based on dslam max allowed speeds of 108mbit on broadcom cards.

 

Vectoring doesn't come into this :)





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