Well.. that's going to be an interesting one....

I know this is side-tracking the thread already - sorry (not not really cos here I go)...

Just clicked on the link. Very fast fiber tests (Gigabit plans) use 600GB of data per month!!

WOW - that would double my data usage and I thought I was a higher user.

Anyway resume your normal thread please - I'm interested in what the results say as well.

As above, for those wanting to discuss the testing itself (not the upcoming results), please use the existing thread.

The release:

 

The Commerce Commission’s first report from its enhanced broadband monitoring programme reveals fibre broadband services are consistently delivering less than 75% of the maximum speeds available.

The Measuring Broadband New Zealand Initial Findings Report, from independent testing partner SamKnows, uses speed and internet performance data collected from volunteers from 758 households during the month of October 2018.

“The big finding from this report is that while fibre broadband is delivering much faster speeds than copper-based services, it is not yet performing at its peak. This is especially the case for the highest speed fibre services, which consumers pay a premium price for,” Telecommunications Commissioner Dr Stephen Gale said.

“This report sets a benchmark for internet speed and performance in New Zealand. For fibre, it shows there’s much room for improvement for providers to get the service to perform at its best.”

The report confirms that fibre broadband is much faster than copper-based ADSL and VDSL services. It also shows that internet performances of different technologies are each relatively consistent throughout the day, even during peak evening times.

Dr Gale thanked the volunteers whose in-home Whiteboxes contributed to this first report and put out a renewed call for volunteers.
 
“While we’ve had more than 4,000 people sign up to be a volunteer, it’s a challenge to find the right mix of volunteers across technologies, plans, providers, and locations. We’ve still got 2,000 Whiteboxes up for grabs and the more volunteers we get, the more interesting comparisons we’ll be able to make, like how fixed wireless and cable technologies are performing and how providers are performing against each other,” Dr Gale said.

The full report can be found here.
 
The next report is due out around Easter next year.

More details about the programme and how to become a volunteer can be found at www.comcom.govt.nz/broadbandvolunteer.

 

That report didn't really say much. 

No real drop off during peak was my take home message.
Also that many people don't get the full speed of there fiber plan.

I wonder of that is weighted by those on 1000/500 plans - sure most of those never reach max speeds?

I didn't find the report very exciting personally - not much use aggregating all fibre connections as the average gets skewed by max/the gig

freitasm:

 

The release:

 

 

The Commerce Commission’s first report from its enhanced broadband monitoring programme reveals fibre broadband services are consistently delivering less than 75% of the maximum speeds available.
[snip]

 

 

It's worth pointing out that at least one large ISP has outstanding questions regarding how those particular numbers are derived, and how the data is treated - and as a result of the report today has more questions about to be placed. We are not going to enter into debate on it here - we're following the already agreed process with Samknows and the Comcom to review the results and understand what their presented numbers actually mean.

Cheerss - N

Aredwood: The main message seems to be that they have discovered that fibre connections are faster than copper connections.

How long until they release a report that actually compares different ISPs?

Also I think that reporting speeds as a percentage of the max speed as flawed. As the report says that the max speed values are reported by the ISPs themselves. Which means that an ISP can easily make their speeds seem faster, just by reporting a lower max speed for their connections.

They should instead ask Chorus and the other LFCs for the layer 2 speeds provisioned for each fibre connection. And also the sync rates for xDSL connections. And use those rates for calculating the percentage of max speed.

You all need to assume a much higher level of competence and diligence in Samknows than in previous NZ BB performance testing outfits. What you suggest is essentially already being done. There might be a little finessing involved but the ISPs aren't declaring the speeds to manipulate results, plus we're all signed up to a code of conduct to prevent this and there are technical measures and doublechecks in place to make sure we don't...

Also, assuming that we'd manipulate the results is a bit insulting. All the ISPs have been asking for for years is some good, fair methodology and reporting. This isn't perfect but all the ISP technical representatives I have spoken to are basically happy with the Samknows testing. The reporting however will take a bit of work.

Cheers - N

Aredwood: [snip]

Unless the max speeds are also reported, or a clear method exists to calculate exactly what they are. These reports will be about as useful as a Harvey Norman or Briscoes advertisement that says "60% off sale, on now"

On that point, and on the shade thrown at HN and Briscoes, you have my 100% agreement :-)

Cheers - N

ps. I'm old. I hope 'shade' is still a term used by the young, kewl kidz.

Talkiet:

Aredwood: [snip]

Unless the max speeds are also reported, or a clear method exists to calculate exactly what they are. These reports will be about as useful as a Harvey Norman or Briscoes advertisement that says "60% off sale, on now"

On that point, and on the shade thrown at HN and Briscoes, you have my 100% agreement :-)

Cheers - N

ps. I'm old. I hope 'shade' is still a term used by the young, kewl kidz.

Talkiet:

 

ps. I'm old. I hope 'shade' is still a term used by the young, kewl kidz.

 

Must remember to organize you a walking stick!

Anybody know where if samknows are operating anywhere else that has Gigbit fibre?

Looks like things are taking a bit longer to ramp up than planned. Aggregating the different speed fibre connections together is pretty hopeless - I assume the % of advertised is skewed by the Gig products (although I wonder what figure they take for advertised in that case). Also I think this came up in the first workshop and can't remember the response, but I wonder if they de-rate the xDSL sync speed to determine the max available speed.

With 2000 whiteboxes still up for grabs I hope they find some good candidates. Reading through this thread really shows how far removed GZers broadband installations are from the 'normal' population. Missed opportunity to pitch them as Christmas presents for the relative you don't really want to spend money on but feel obliged to get something.