Going to have Rugby World Cup streaming at Bar need advice on Speed/ISP

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#250675 21-May-2019 11:44

We are going to be having the Rugby World Cup streaming from spark sport for customers in the bar through a Android Tv device connected to our audio/video setup.

The main concern I have is a consistent HD connection so there is no interruptions for those watching the games.

From talking to those at spark sport and some others, it has been recommended to have a 100down/100up connection for it to meet these requirements.

We are currently with HD Net on 30/10 and asked about their 100/100 plan to which they recommended getting the CIR 100/100 from them which is significantly higher in price than just a standard 100/100 plan. Is it necessary to get this?

We have been looking at 2 Degrees 100/100 plan, however I don't know how good their business broadband is.

The HD Net 100/100 plan is about double the price than 2 Degrees one. Provided the CIR recommendation is not necessary is there much difference between these two ISP's that it is worth sticking with HD Net?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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#2242254 21-May-2019 11:51

Personally I wouldn't bother with the CiR.

100/100 will be good. CiR of 2.5... Or just order 1 gig, leave the CiR at 2.5.

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#2242257 21-May-2019 11:53

i would have a talk with the Spark Sport folk about this. 100/20 should be plenty. Really depends if it's a shared connection.

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#2242258 21-May-2019 11:54

I wouldn't bother paying for CIR just for a streaming event.

Even if you have the CIR, there is no guarantee on bandwidth in to Spark so it's sort of pointless.

If it was me, I would just grab the fattest Spark fibre connection within your budget and roll with that. Team it up with a DECENT router (provided and configured by a pro), and a make sure your internal network is up to scratch in terms of cabling and switch gear.

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#2242295 21-May-2019 12:37

What else is your current connection being used for? 30/10 should be fast enough for one HD stream and some Eftpos terminals, but if you're giving your customers wifi then it won't be enough.

If your ISP is suggesting that their 30/10 isn't fast enough for one HD video stream ... I wouldn't want to be their customer.

2degrees broadband is absolutely fine. If you're giving your customers wifi access/etc then gigabit (1000/500) might be a good idea, it will be cheaper than the cost of equipment to ensure other usage leaves enough for the Rugby stream.

Make sure the device that's streaming is connected via a wired connection to the router.

I'd also suggest having a backup connection. Hotspotting to a cellphone with a big enough data plan, and good 4G reception where you are, is probably sufficient. Try this out in advance, so that if something goes wrong switching connections is a two minute job, not a twenty minute one.

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#2242300 21-May-2019 12:46

Your existing 30/10 plan is more than sufficient for streaming the RWC in HD, assuming it's not used for anything else streaming wise. It'd be a good idea to make sure this isn't used by others during streaming events and ensure your TV is connected via physical cabling back to the ISP router.

As others have suggested it would also be a good idea to have a backup option of hot spotting to a mobile phone with sufficient data, and tested beforehand.

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#2242301 21-May-2019 12:50

Our connection is is being used by at least 4 computers in the office using wireless, 2 office ipads , possible other staff connected via phones when working, eftpos on the main network and we have a guest Ap for customers.

We plan to have the device connected via ethernet which shouldn't be a problem to setup.

Is it worth considering going to Spark as chevrolux pointed out? if we were to choose from either staying with HD Net, or choosing 2Degrees or Spark, is their any advantages one has over the other apart from the price?

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#2242320 21-May-2019 13:13

How does multiple screens work in a bar? (not mentioned, but thought I'd ask). Are each one of those an independent connection back to SS, or is there one connection in and it's distributed to multiple screens?

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#2242326 21-May-2019 13:21

We will have one connection and distribute it to multiple tvs in the bar.

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#2242329 21-May-2019 13:28

My comment regarding using Spark stems purely from their stance to peering with other networks around the country.

Last thing you want is to be on a different ISP connection, and pulling your stream via Australia.

In saying that, I think I saw someone say that Spark Sport gets served out of Akamai, so probably a completely moot point. But if it was me standing behind the bar with a chocker room full of patrons expecting to watch the rugby, I would do everything in my power to limit the risk of it not working. Getting on to the Spark network would be one of the simplest things you could do to limit that risk.

I would take a punt and say Spark will probably have the most national bandwidth too by the time world cup starts. They are throwing a hell of a lot of new fibre in around the country, connecting up exchanges, etc. Which I can only assume would have to be from a content distribution view point to get as much bandwidth as possible to local centers.

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#2242330 21-May-2019 13:32

chevrolux has a good point. Being on a Spark connection would be the safest bet. Your office computers and ATM traffic aren't going to make a difference to the streaming event, although it might be a good idea to not have the Guest AP running during the sports event as you could then have punters streaming through your connection as well and having a few of those going could affect the quality of your main event.

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#2242335 21-May-2019 13:49

A Spark gigabit ("Fibre MAX"), unlimited, business UFB connection is $150/mo+GST

That's less than what HDNet are advertising for unlimited business 30/10 ($185/mo+GST)

Um. Just switch. You'll be fine. The internet connection will be faster than your guest AP, so you'll have no issues running out of bandwidth.

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#2242345 21-May-2019 14:00

chevrolux:

My comment regarding using Spark stems purely from their stance to peering with other networks around the country.

Last thing you want is to be on a different ISP connection, and pulling your stream via Australia.

In saying that, I think I saw someone say that Spark Sport gets served out of Akamai, so probably a completely moot point. But if it was me standing behind the bar with a chocker room full of patrons expecting to watch the rugby, I would do everything in my power to limit the risk of it not working. Getting on to the Spark network would be one of the simplest things you could do to limit that risk.

I would take a punt and say Spark will probably have the most national bandwidth too by the time world cup starts. They are throwing a hell of a lot of new fibre in around the country, connecting up exchanges, etc. Which I can only assume would have to be from a content distribution view point to get as much bandwidth as possible to local centers.

As you recall, all the Spark Sport traffic is coming from Akamai, so peering is completely irrelevant to this discussion. For the OP, 30/10 is fine but for the cost difference, get 100/20 from any ISP you are happy has excellent Akamai connectivity (Which I would term myself as having on-net Akamai servers in at least the nearest major city to you)

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#2242425 21-May-2019 15:43

I know very little when it comes to most of what you are talking about.

Just so I completely understand what you mean by "on-net Akamai server in at least the nearest major city to me", this is referring to a direct server connection to a Akamai server that the ISP control from the nearest major city without the use of any third party ISP/carriers?

Please correct me if I've understood that wrong, I want to make sure I understand what I'm asking when talking the any ISP.

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#2242432 21-May-2019 15:51

God I'd be impressed if Spark were to stream the rugby at >30Mbps (in fact, isn't the base UFB plan now 50Mbps?), but somehow I don't think so. I'm also mystified by the suggestion that you'd need 100Mbps upstream to watch rugby...

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#2242438 21-May-2019 15:56

LarryFisherman:

I know very little when it comes to most of what you are talking about.

Just so I completely understand what you mean by "on-net Akamai server in at least the nearest major city to me", this is referring to a direct server connection to a Akamai server that the ISP control from the nearest major city without the use of any third party ISP/carriers?

Please correct me if I've understood that wrong, I want to make sure I understand what I'm asking when talking the any ISP.

That's pretty much spot on. The issue might be whether the ISP frontline actually know that level of detail. You could either ask here about specific ISPs and users on each ISP might be able to chip in with what they have observed, or the ISPs might be able to answer themselves.

Cheers - N

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