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#279800 10-Nov-2020 09:47
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America's fast broadband is going nowhere fast  - meanwhile Canada is investing CA$ 1.75 billion to connect 98% of Canadians to high-speed internet by 2026.

 

 

Nothing that currently exists can compete with fiber. Nothing replicates the future growth fiber networks will deliver, simply because nothing that moves data has the inherent capacity of a fiber wire. It isn’t even close by any technical measurement. However, barely 30 percent of Americans have access to fiber infrastructure, despite the fact that 100 percent of Americans have become dependent on high-speed access during the pandemic.

 

In a few short years, more than one billion fiber-to-the-home gigabit Internet connections will have been deployed in Asia. That fiber infrastructure will be capable of reaching symmetrical ten gigabits, 100 gigabits, and well into the terabit era of broadband access in a cost-effective basis as applications and services continue to evolve and advance. Deployment at a large scale is possible, but the U.S. still lags far behind.

 

Here is how bad our high-speed access market is today: every big American ISP has stopped deploying fiber services at any serious scale. This leaves a vast majority of Americans stuck with inferior cable Internet service. When you factor in the monopoly power held by the ISPs—preventing Americans from switching to better service—it becomes a perfect storm. That storm broke with the pandemic, where we all suddenly found ourselves needing quick and reliable Internet access.

 

Only small private and local public providers are connecting folks to the future, but their efforts are stymied by incumbents and not sufficiently supported. That means most people can’t switch from cable when they opt to throttle uploads or are unable to deliver the speeds they’ve advertised if we all use the Internet at the same time. You still have landlords getting away with keeping fiber competitors out of apartment complexes in exchange for a kick back from companies like Comcast.

 

 

I think New Zealand is doing well. 





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  #2600852 10-Nov-2020 09:58
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If you think NZ is bad my fiancé is Canadian - her Mother and Sister are in Canada.

 

They're connected via Cable (Telus) and also have their mobiles with them. $85CAD gives them 10gb of mobile data along with unlimited calling and texting. On-top of this their broadband is $130CAD per month (with Cable TV mind you) for 50Mbit down, 2Mbit up. They're in an apartment complex and experience peak time slow-down's to the point it is impossible to video call them during their peak time - they also can't stream anything and quite often have to switch to 4G data. They've been to their provider multiple times to attempt to rectify this but Telus just keep blaming their router, their local node being overloaded etc. Everyone in their apartment complex experiences the same peak time slowdowns. Also they don't have any other ISP except for Telus to pick from.

 

Also their broadband is not truly unlimited - they've got a "soft cap" of 1TB and if they go over this then there is a good likelihood they'll be billed extra.

 

So, if you're complaining about NZ broadband and mobile - just take a look at our brothers in Canada and instantly you'll feel better. They're always blown away they can get 25gb of data along with unlimited calling and texting when they come to NZ (on prepaid) for less than their actual mobile plan price in Canada.





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  #2600908 10-Nov-2020 11:07
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@freitasm, this really highlights how smart our PPP UFB rollout with one set of cables but multiple RSPs available at each property and the telco levy to offset higher rural costs really are. We are doing alright!

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  #2600932 10-Nov-2020 11:59
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michaelmurfy:

 

If you think NZ is bad my fiancé is Canadian - her Mother and Sister are in Canada.

 

 

NZ is doing great! In comparison Canadian cities are just OK.
We're with Telus too..

Our Home Fibre is "Telus 75" - 75Mbps down/up - at $93 per month (includes basic 'Telus TV' channels, normally $20/month but that's credited back as a 'promotional discount')

 

We're on an 'unlimited' plan and usually hit 5-600GB but have gone over a TB without receiving notification or noticing a 'Soft Cap'

 

Wife and kids are on a 'peace of mind' shared cell plan - where 'unlimited' means speed drops to almost unusable after the first 20GB.
Unlimited calls & texts - we've never noticed signal loss or slowdown and sometimes have 2 or 3 zooms going on.
At $60 pr person x 4 that's $240/month though..

 

Rural Canada is another kettle of fish - probably why a couple of our friends have jumped on the Starlink “Better Than Nothing Beta” even though there's a US$499 install cost for the receiver/decoder then $99 a month.




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  #2601180 10-Nov-2020 17:37
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My Wife’s siblings in the US are on either Cable to the house (COX) or Fibre to the Gated Community and G.Fast to the house (CenturyLink) both can do 1gbps but have a 1.5TB CAP

Neither of these technologies is true fibre and is subject to congestion - the ping to the default gateway is an average of 20ms

We are so lucky here in NZ




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  #2601505 11-Nov-2020 08:23
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The fibre project is one of few (only) significant new infrastructure project that had major impact on all nzers.

In future (?now) we will laud the decision to do it.

I still remember the sense of amazement of uploading videos to my parents from 1mps to 500. Previously I would leave files uploading overnight to an online locker from which my parents could the download.

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  #2601524 11-Nov-2020 09:05
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It is interesting to read the comments about how well NZ is doing. It wasnt so long ago that our mostly copper DSL based broadband population was being roasted for so many problems - speed, reliability and so on - until it became political and the government drove the programme to swap out copper for a common fibre network.

 

Our geography continues to be a challenge relative to population of course, but it does show why infrastructure, as boring as it can be, needs to be invested in and replaced. Think of all the broken water pipes around the major cities that need replacing - boring yet essential. Sewerage will be next. and so on.

 

I DO wish the ONT's were small, to the point of being a faceplate install in the wall next to a similar electrical plug, instead of the major statement they are now (another ugly white box in the box with an even uglier power supply) - and given so much housing stock in NZ is still 'classic' villas with built-in ventilation and reticulation, will still be prominent for some time to come.





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  #2601534 11-Nov-2020 09:26
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afe66: The fibre project is one of few (only) significant new infrastructure project that had major impact on all nzers.

In future (?now) we will laud the decision to do it.

I still remember the sense of amazement of uploading videos to my parents from 1mps to 500. Previously I would leave files uploading overnight to an online locker from which my parents could the download.


I remember in the late 2000s when (then) TelstraClear released 130/50 HFC plans - and Adsl2+ was a new thing

i burnt through the 20gb cap in like a week!




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I wonder whether more fixed wireless will be pushed onto users to increase the margins for the retail providers? Will this hurt the financial returns of the fibre network which is still relatively new?





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  #2602444 12-Nov-2020 10:10
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Zeon:

I wonder whether more fixed wireless will be pushed onto users to increase the margins for the retail providers? Will this hurt the financial returns of the fibre network which is still relatively new?



It already is heavily pushed by the big three mobile providers and HFC by Vodafone in wlg/chc to avoid paying the LFC

IMHO if we look back to 2008 when National announced the fibre rollout they could have demerged Vodafones mobile infrastructure side (Only GSM provider at the time) like they demerged the Telecom infrastructure side into Chorus this would make every mobile provider an MVNO and even the playing field on all mobile and broadband services.






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  #2604500 16-Nov-2020 06:12
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Interesting, signed into my Telus account the other day to double-check my fibre pricing before I posted here. Just once.

Now being specifically targeted - bombarded - by Telus 'Gigabit Internet' ads..
Giant purple ads following me anywhere I'm not signed in.. Reuters, Aljazeera, BBC..
Looks like there may be better deals than the one I'm on - I hate it when they show me things I might actually buy..

 

Telus Gigabit:

 

1500Mbs down/ 940Mbs up, 6.8ms avg. jitter, 15.3ms latency - unlimited, $99/month on a 2 year contract
*Regular price $160/month (Save $61/mo – that’s $1,464 over 2 years!) Plus - get a $50 bill credit (including tax) when you order online!


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Sidestep:

 

Interesting, signed into my Telus account the other day to double-check my fibre pricing before I posted here. Just once.

Now being specifically targeted - bombarded - by Telus 'Gigabit Internet' ads..
Giant purple ads following me anywhere I'm not signed in.. Reuters, Aljazeera, BBC..
Looks like there may be better deals than the one I'm on - I hate it when they show me things I might actually buy..

 

Telus Gigabit:

 

1500Mbs down/ 940Mbs up, 6.8ms avg. jitter, 15.3ms latency - unlimited, $99/month on a 2 year contract
*Regular price $160/month (Save $61/mo – that’s $1,464 over 2 years!) Plus - get a $50 bill credit (including tax) when you order online!

 

 

So you must have  2.5g 5 or 10G ethernet to get 1.5gbps? 





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  #2604561 16-Nov-2020 09:47
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nztim:

 

So you must have  2.5g 5 or 10G ethernet to get 1.5gbps? 

 

 

Ahh - nope, will have to upgrade our home network to take advantage..

 

At the moment Telus delivers through a large, ugly, white Alcatel-Lucent ONT (surely as ugly as antoniosk's), an equally ugly Actiontec T3200 Router which we've got bridged to our Unifi stuff - USG, Switches, NanoHD AP's and Cat6 to network outlets.

 

It appears they replace the ONT/router as part of the 'upgrade' (hopefully with something smaller/less boxy that'll give me more space in the cabinet) I'm guessing our USG will end up the chokepoint.

The kids have just bought a PS5 and we have other data/speed-hungry stuff going on so could take advantage of higher speeds.
One of the kids changed the alarm on my phone to dial-up modem sounds the other day.. maybe a hint?


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  #2604708 16-Nov-2020 13:19
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Sidestep:

 

nztim:

 

So you must have  2.5g 5 or 10G ethernet to get 1.5gbps? 

 

 

I'm guessing our USG will end up the chokepoint.

 

 

Yup you will be looking at a Mikrotik or something with 10G ports you will need 160mhz wide 802.11ax to get the those speeds over wifi (which will be a complete replacement of Acess Points and client devices)

 

 

 

 

 

 





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