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pikajuice

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#303102 16-Jan-2023 19:48
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I received a copper withdrawal notice in October or November last year for scheduled withdrawal this coming April, and have a pending order with Chorus for optical fibre installation. Their technician has advised that I need to pay a contractor to lay a conduit through my neighbour's property or else they will not be able to install fibre optic for my property. The quotes I have received from different contractors range from several contractors range from 3k to 6k.

 

Some people on Reddit have provided their inputs, saying that I should not have to bear the cost, quoting the Copper Withdrawal Code as follows:

 

    38. If, at any time after an end-user is provided a First Notice, the end-user places an order with a retail service provider for a connection to a fibre service to be installed, the end-user must have a connection to a fibre service installed:
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    38.2 at no cost to the end-user.

 

However, when I called Chorus this morning to bring their attention to the Code, they insisted that the Code does not apply to my case without explaining why. Chorus has also previously indicated that my copper service will be terminated in April regardless if I have made an attempt to upgrade, which seems to contradict what's said on their notice. My ISP, Skinny, has also said that my only options from April onwards are either optical fibre or no internet. 

 

Both Chorus and Skinny have not been helpful and, after learning that some members here actually work at Chorus, I have come here to seek help.

 

Could you share your thought on whether I should be responsible for the conduit cost?

 

Also, the Chorus technician did not mention the option of using the existing copper wire as a pullwire for installing the fibre. If you know the reason why this was not mentioned, could you share your thought?

 

 

 


Many thanks!

 

 

 

 


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  #3022281 16-Jan-2023 20:04
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Are these separate, subdivided addresses (as per the council) or no? How does your existing copper line come in? Underground (I'm guessing this is your current configuration) or aerial?




  #3022285 16-Jan-2023 20:13
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Any Google map available for the properties, showing route of copper and proposed route of fibre.

 

Where does the fibre get to in your street or road?

 

Any easement on the neighbours property to allow for services to your property?

 

 





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  #3022288 16-Jan-2023 20:16
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@chorusnz @wheelbarrow01

 

Something you can help with?




  #3022294 16-Jan-2023 20:25
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Older phone lines were often direct buried, which makes it essentially impossible to use it as a draw-wire. If it's a duct it's potentially possible, but there are risks. If the duct is tight or has shifted/been crushed/filled with gravel, it's possible that they won't be able to pull it through. Worst case, something snaps and you have no fibre and no copper.

 

 


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  #3022295 16-Jan-2023 20:27
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quickymart:

 

Are these separate, subdivided addresses (as per the council) or no? How does your existing copper line come in? Underground (I'm guessing this is your current configuration) or aerial?

 

 

 

 

It's a cross lease. I'm not sure how my existing copper line comes in. I was looking for it the other day but didn't know what it looked like. Most likely it's underground because I don't see any aerial hanging above my head.


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  #3022301 16-Jan-2023 20:33
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SomeoneSomewhere:

 

Older phone lines were often direct buried, which makes it essentially impossible to use it as a draw-wire. If it's a duct it's potentially possible, but there are risks. If the duct is tight or has shifted/been crushed/filled with gravel, it's possible that they won't be able to pull it through. Worst case, something snaps and you have no fibre and no copper.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have not thought about these possibilities but think I have nothing to lose at this stage, as doing nothing means no internet in April and onwards.


  #3022352 16-Jan-2023 20:42
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Skinny may be able to offer you 4G wireless internet if the fibre installation is too difficult.





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  #3022359 16-Jan-2023 20:49
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Gordy7:

Skinny may be able to offer you 4G wireless internet if the fibre installation is too difficult.



They have said their 4G service is unavailable in my area.

  #3022362 16-Jan-2023 20:55
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If the distance from the street to your house is less than 200m then I reckon Chorus should find a way to install fibre for free.

 

 





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  #3022363 16-Jan-2023 20:59
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IANAL. But if it is cross lease, don't you and you neighbours both own the land jointly? I am confused why you would need to pay.

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  #3022365 16-Jan-2023 21:04
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Gordy7:

Any Google map available for the properties, showing route of copper and proposed route of fibre.


Where does the fibre get to in your street or road?


Any easement on the neighbours property to allow for services to your property?


 




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  #3022366 16-Jan-2023 21:05
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Gordy7:

If the distance from the street to your house is less than 200m then I reckon Chorus should find a way to install fibre for free.


 



Definitely less than 200m

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  #3022368 16-Jan-2023 21:16
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mattwnz: IANAL. But if it is cross lease, don't you and you neighbours both own the land jointly? I am confused why you would need to pay.


My understanding is that, on paper, my neighbour and we each own 50% of the land in its entirety. However, if taken to court, my neighbour and we would be each determined to own 100% of our respective half partition as shown on Google maps.

This is why my neighbour's consent is needed. I also recall the chorus technician saying that, even if my neighbour gives their consent to this job, He (the technician) won't be allowed to dig in my neighbour property so I have to get a contractor to do this.

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  #3022374 16-Jan-2023 21:56
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per above, INAL, but you both own the whole land equally, not a bit of a side each.

 

Yes their consent is required, and you're making a change, just like if you decided to cut down a tree on the property etc.

 

I can't see the reasonable grounds they are using to decline you installing fibre on your own property





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  #3022375 16-Jan-2023 22:18
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Hi @pikajuice,

 

Could you please flick me a private message with your address and the name the account with Skinny is under, and I will have a look at it for you and see what I can find out. I look after Skinny and I have regular contact with our copper withdrawal team so can liaise with them to clarify the situation as well if required.

 

 





The views expressed by me are not necessarily those of my employer Chorus NZ Ltd


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