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#31595 23-Mar-2009 17:09
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Looking at articals on sites like nzherald it gives the impression the company is in trouble, think it will survive another 12 months?


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  #202846 23-Mar-2009 17:42
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I hope it does. We use it at work for Internet and for a second phone line. It may not be fast but it has been reliable and not expensive.




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  #202849 23-Mar-2009 18:07
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I doubt it - but then Woosh should have been history many years ago.

In todays economic climate I just can't see them finding enough cash to last enough year, let along $150 million for a new network when their current business model is doing so poorly.


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  #202857 23-Mar-2009 18:43
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sbiddle: In todays economic climate I just can't see them finding enough cash to last enough year, let along $150 million for a new network when their current business model is doing so poorly.


I want to know who is doing the sell to new investors they keep bringing on.  How do you hide a history of loss after loss after loss?


They must have an amazing accountant.




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  #202877 23-Mar-2009 19:40
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nate:

sbiddle: In todays economic climate I just can't see them finding enough cash to last enough year, let along $150 million for a new network when their current business model is doing so poorly.



I want to know who is doing the sell to new investors they keep bringing on.? How do you hide a history of loss after loss after loss?



They must have an amazing accountant.



No they just have investors like Tindall and Heatley who keep pumping cash into the business with the braindead concept that they have lost so much so far that another bit more might turn the company around which was very wishful thinking.

Probably a good tax loss for them all..


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  #202887 23-Mar-2009 20:41
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Good article over on the NBR website: http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/chris-keall/white-knights-not-queuing-save-woosh

My favourite bit:
You know things are a little bleak when Woosh?s automated switchboard includes the option, "If you?re a Woosh creditor, press 4", as Keallhauled discovered during an attempt to reach chairman Rod Inglis.

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  #202939 24-Mar-2009 00:28
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What about Kordia / Orcon.. when the Nats find out how much of a hole they are burning in the ground.


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#202967 24-Mar-2009 08:56
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And Woosh COO Kristin Dunne-Powell resigned (ex-Vodafone) resigned - with no replacement.





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  #203024 24-Mar-2009 14:02
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Related to my earlier comment:
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/red-ink-flows-kordia


Arguably Kordia is currently insolvent three times over. Current assets of $53 million vs. current liabilities of $169 million.


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Kordia bought Orcon for $24,750,000 of which the net identifiable assets were just $64,000. The remaining purchase price was a whopping $24,513,000 of goodwill and a client list. Seeby Woodhouse must have felt like the Toll Directors when Michael Cullen came calling, little wonder he throws parties for New Zealand's Next Top models in his home and appears weekly drinking and cavorting in social pages.  He's still celebrating and full of goodwill. The Kordia Directors must have a crystal ball that no one else can gaze into or they are dimmest fools in the world because Orcon made a net loss of $3,578,000 to the Group to 30 June 08.

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If Woosh could now implement WiMAX, it could not only survive but beat its competitors. With one condition -  the access should be universal for one account and include both mobile and fixed Internet connectivity for one reasonable and comparable to other ISPs monthly price. It might bite off a chunk of the cellular market, as well.

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  #204461 31-Mar-2009 16:24
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if they can develop a usb modem that doesn't require a big antenna on the window and gets at least 80% reception then they could survive.

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  #204466 31-Mar-2009 16:36
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alig: If Woosh could now implement WiMAX, it will not only survive but could beat its competitors. With one condition -  the access should be universal for one account and include both mobile and fixed Internet connectivity for one reasonable and comparable to other ISPs monthly price. It might bite off a chunk of the cellular market, as well.


Add the capex costs of deploying Wimax to the losses Woosh has already made and I doubt they would be profitable any time soon. If they ever make enough to make a profit after deploying wimax, the technology would be obselete well before the time they made enough to cover losses to date.

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  #204468 31-Mar-2009 16:43
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richgamer: if they can develop a usb modem that doesn't require a big antenna on the window and gets at least 80% reception then they could survive.


How? A USB modem doesn't make up for a network that reastically can't even deliver dialup speeds to most users. TDD-CDMA was just a dud technology.


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  #204479 31-Mar-2009 17:18
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adamj:
Add the capex costs of deploying Wimax to the losses Woosh has already made and I doubt they would be profitable any time soon. If they ever make enough to make a profit after deploying wimax, the technology would be obselete well before the time they made enough to cover losses to date.


Yes. But if they could beat the greed and make the cheapest prices for the Internet access after implementing WiMAX.. A lot of greedy New Zealanders (including myself) will dump their current providers in favour using speedy mobile Internet and VoIP (instead of way expensive 3G GSM/CDMA). Students, tenants, contractors, etc

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alig: Yes. But if they could beat the greed and make the cheapest prices for the Internet access after implementing WiMAX.. A lot of greedy New Zealanders (including myself) will dump their current providers in favour using speedy mobile Internet and VoIP (instead of way expensive 3G GSM/CDMA). Students, tenants, contractors, etc


Would you? Vodafone are in the process of rolling out 3G coverage to 97% of the population (With the right device). Woosh coverage is extremely limited in comparison.

How are they supposed to make money by spending millions on infrastruction and then charging less than competitors? Not gonna happen

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  #204525 31-Mar-2009 20:20
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adamj:
Would you? Vodafone are in the process of rolling out 3G coverage to 97% of the population (With the right device). Woosh coverage is extremely limited in comparison.
How are they supposed to make money by spending millions on infrastruction and then charging less than competitors? Not gonna happen

Wimax should be faster Voodafone's 3G (5 times?). Vast majority of broadband users already lives and works in the Woosh's coverage area, which will be expanded by Wimax installations. Charging less means more people, more people eventually means more money. Voodafone 3G is very expensive (Broadband Pro    3GB*    24 month term    $69.95). Make it $20 for 15Gb Wimax plan and you double your client base in a couple of weeks.. and so on. (and costs of Voip calls are just a fraction of those additional Vodafone/Telecom voice plans or even free in case of woosh to woosh or even sip to sip)

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