Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


freitasm

BDFL - Memuneh
74170 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
ID Verified
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

#31883 3-Apr-2009 08:12
Send private message

For those who keep quoting the U.S. as the land of wonderful Internet, here comes the caps. While Comcast introduced a quite generous 250GB cap in their plans, Time Warner is introducing plans with 5, 10, 20 and 40GB caps.


By charging a premium to the heaviest broadband users, much the same way cell-phone providers collect fees from subscribers who exceed their allotted minutes, Time Warner would upend a longstanding pricing strategy among Internet service providers. Typically, phone and cable companies charge flat fees for unlimited access to the Web. "We need a viable model to be able to support the infrastructure of the broadband business," Time Warner Cable CEO Glenn Britt says in an interview. "We made a mistake early on by not defining our business based on the consumption dimension." Time Warner Cable has 8.4 million broadband customers.


In other words they have found out that unlimited data is not the way to go, from the providers' perspective. Heavy downloaders made it easy for the providers to create a case to limit Internet for everyone else.

I wonder if those heavy downloaders actually do anything with all that digital content they download...





Support Geekzone by subscribing, making a donation. or using one of our referral links: Sharesies | Goodsync  | Mighty Ape | Backblaze | Norton 360 | Lenovo laptops 

 

freitasm on Keybase | My technology disclosure

 

 

 

 

 

 


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2
old3eyes
8860 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  #205061 3-Apr-2009 08:25
Send private message

There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..




Regards,

Old3eyes


Affiliate link
 
 
 

Affiliate link: Find your next Lenovo laptop, desktop, workstation or tablet now.
wellygary
6715 posts

Uber Geek


  #205094 3-Apr-2009 10:59
Send private message

Time warner is simply trying to protect its cable business, If people start watching legal video online (hulu etc) it is less subsciption revenue they will receive.



sbiddle
30853 posts

Uber Geek

Retired Mod
Trusted
Biddle Corp
Lifetime subscriber

  #205100 3-Apr-2009 12:05
Send private message

old3eyes: There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..


No. The exact opposite will now happen.

Expect the IPTV and Netflix type business to now prosper as they enter into agreements with ISP's for zero rated traffic or flat rate traffic. Kill P2P because it costs too much and zero rate the competition. Very smart move..




Ilmarin
94 posts

Master Geek


  #205109 3-Apr-2009 12:42
Send private message

sbiddle:
old3eyes: There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..


No. The exact opposite will now happen.

Expect the IPTV and Netflix type business to now prosper as they enter into agreements with ISP's for zero rated traffic or flat rate traffic. Kill P2P because it costs too much and zero rate the competition. Very smart move..


... and likely to happen here as well, given that we currently pay through the nose for all traffic, regardless of its origin, thus making the prospect of streaming legal HD content for minimal traffic costs and a flat charge rather attractive compared to the less legitimate options.

However, considering how competitive the North American market is, it's hard to see Time Warner's strategy having much of an effect in the long run, whereas NZ consumers are already trapped in an environment that engenders a demand for high-def content without the exhorbitant traffic charges.

NzKaizer
130 posts

Master Geek


  #205114 3-Apr-2009 12:46
Send private message

old3eyes: There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..



Yip,

richgamer
224 posts

Master Geek
Inactive user


  #205143 3-Apr-2009 14:32
Send private message

watch everyone switch over to comcast for their 250gb cap. bad move from time warner. their going to lose all their subscribers.


freitasm

BDFL - Memuneh
74170 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
ID Verified
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  #205144 3-Apr-2009 14:36
Send private message

richgamer:

watch everyone switch over to comcast for their 250gb cap. bad move from time warner. their going to lose all their subscribers.




No they won't. First because for a lot of people 5GB, 10GB or 20GB is plenty enough - not everyone downloads illegal TV shows all day every day. Next because Comcast is not available everywhere, and vice-versa. Some will be stuck with that.





Support Geekzone by subscribing, making a donation. or using one of our referral links: Sharesies | Goodsync  | Mighty Ape | Backblaze | Norton 360 | Lenovo laptops 

 

freitasm on Keybase | My technology disclosure

 

 

 

 

 

 




JonC
425 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #205316 4-Apr-2009 19:45
Send private message

sbiddle:
old3eyes: There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..


No. The exact opposite will now happen.

Expect the IPTV and Netflix type business to now prosper as they enter into agreements with ISP's for zero rated traffic or flat rate traffic. Kill P2P because it costs too much and zero rate the competition. Very smart move..



Except of course, because this is Time Warner, they won't offer zero-rated IPTV.  Why would they let some third-party offer movies etc for cheaper than Time Warner charges over their regular cable TV service?

It is simply a move to reduce internet-delivered content (illegal or otherwise) so that more people watch TV via the regular cable TV box.  They don't want IPTV, Netflix and Hulu to take over their broadcast TV model.




JonC
425 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #205317 4-Apr-2009 19:50
Send private message

freitasm:
richgamer:


watch everyone switch over to comcast for their 250gb cap. bad move from time warner. their going to lose all their subscribers.






No they won't. First because for a lot of people 5GB, 10GB or 20GB is plenty enough - not everyone downloads illegal TV shows all day every day. Next because Comcast is not available everywhere, and vice-versa. Some will be stuck with that.




If the 5/10/20GB plan is substantially cheaper than the 250GB plan and they're a light user then sure, TW's plans will seem a better deal.  But if the 250GB is the same price, then why would you go with the 20GB plan?

Anyway, as I understand it, most people in the US don't have a choice between cable providers - it's usually a choice between cable or ADSL.


cbrpilot
854 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted
Spark NZ

  #205358 5-Apr-2009 07:55
Send private message

sbiddle:
old3eyes: There goes the world of IPTV  and Netflix  type movies on demand and the like which is being touted as the replacement for Blu-ray and satellite TV..


No. The exact opposite will now happen.

Expect the IPTV and Netflix type business to now prosper as they enter into agreements with ISP's for zero rated traffic or flat rate traffic. Kill P2P because it costs too much and zero rate the competition. Very smart move..



 


I agree with the idea ... but I do wonder if a provider will be prevented from such an action due to "net neutrality".  They are not prioritising that traffic perhaps, but they are making it preferential by not charging for it....





My views are my own, and may not necessarily represent those of my employer.


raytaylor
3685 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #205421 5-Apr-2009 17:21
Send private message

I am rather keen to find out who tivo nz (tvnz) are partnering with to offer free bandwidth for the ondemmand and extra features of the tivo service. Probably telecom but will be interesting if they choose someone else or could go with a number of isp's




Ray Taylor

There is no place like localhost




old3eyes
8860 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  #205438 5-Apr-2009 19:03
Send private message

When you got to the TiVo site and sign up they ask what ISP you are with and are you locked into a contract..




Regards,

Old3eyes


Regs
4065 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Snowflake

  #205439 5-Apr-2009 19:05
Send private message

raytaylor: I am rather keen to find out who tivo nz (tvnz) are partnering with to offer free bandwidth for the ondemmand and extra features of the tivo service. Probably telecom but will be interesting if they choose someone else or could go with a number of isp's


well kordia (orcon, ex bcl) would probably seem logical given that they are the SOE and given their histroy with TVNZ ownership. 





JonC
425 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #206638 13-Apr-2009 10:42
Send private message

And in a follow-up to this, the uproar about the stingy caps has drawn the attention of politicians who want to regulate ISPs that have a monopoly.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/Time-Warners-Broadband-Cap-Plans-Draw-Lawmakers-Ire-202147/

Massa added that while he favored a "business's right to maximize their profit potential, I believe safeguards must be put in place when a business has a monopoly on a specific region."

C/O Slashdot:  http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/12/2044244



Ragnor
8065 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #206690 13-Apr-2009 16:56
Send private message

freitasm: For those who keep quoting the U.S. as the land of wonderful Internet, here comes the caps. While Comcast introduced a quite generous 250GB cap in their plans, Time Warner is introducing plans with 5, 10, 20 and 40GB caps.



The US situation is completely different imo.  Local peered traffic is 99% of their traffic, how does variable data usage cost TWC money when their network is peered and most costs are fixed?

For example in 2008 TWC's costs went down 12%, revenue went up 11% and data usage was rising the entire time.  Ref:  Time Warner Cable Earnings Refute Bandwidth Cap Economics
http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/04/time-warner-cab.html

TWC's revenues are going up while its costs are going down it doesn't take a genius to realize this is about:  1) Squeezing cash out of broadband users and 2) Keeping TWC's cable TV operation alive by making Internet video less desirable.







 1 | 2
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Samsung Introducing Galaxy Z Flip4 and Galaxy Z Fold4
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Samsung Unveils Health Innovations with Galaxy Watch5 and Galaxy Watch5 Pro
Posted 11-Aug-2022 01:00


Google Bringing First Cloud Region to Aotearoa New Zealand
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:51


ANZ To Move to FIS Modern Banking Platform
Posted 10-Aug-2022 08:28


GoPro Hero10 Black Review
Posted 8-Aug-2022 17:41


Amazon to Acquire iRobot
Posted 6-Aug-2022 11:41


Samsung x LIFE Picture Collection Brings Iconic Moments in History to The Frame
Posted 4-Aug-2022 17:04


Norton Consumer Cyber Safety Pulse Report: Phishing for New Bait on Social Media
Posted 4-Aug-2022 16:50


Microsoft Announces New Solutions for Threat Intelligence and Attack Surface Management
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:54


Seagate Addresses Hyperscale Workloads with Enterprise-Class Nytro SSDs
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:50


Visa Launching Eco-friendly Payment Solutions in New Zealand
Posted 3-Aug-2022 21:48


NCR Delivers Services to Run Bank of New Zealand ATM Network
Posted 30-Jul-2022 11:06


New HP Portfolio Supports New Era of Hybrid Work
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:14


Harman Kardon Launches Citation MultiBeam 1100 Soundbar
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:10


Nanogirl Labs Launches Creator Project
Posted 28-Jul-2022 17:05









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.







Backblaze unlimited backup