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# 38788 4-Aug-2009 12:20
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Hi,

 

I am currently doing a research assignment to find out if New Zealand’s copyright laws should be harsher. To help me achieve this, I require some opinions from the New Zealand public. Don’t worry, all I need is opinions, I’m not relying on you as my main source of information!

 

I would appreciate it if you could please reply with your answers, as soon as possible.

 

Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content, and do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)

 

Thank you for your help,

Jordan

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  # 242334 4-Aug-2009 13:06
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hi,

1. no
2. because its the cheapest method of obtaining said material. Downloading it illegally still costs through your internet connection and data charges so why not implement something where copyright holders get a cut of your internet bills, people are prepared to pay - its just that the cheapest method wins.

3. yes, but its a short term solution. It will lead people away from technology like 'torrents' and more towards 'paid for' underground server hosting services- that makes it harder for your isp/ government to track your usage especially if you use encryption like SSL.

4. Not specifically, I know most things commerical are copyrighted, so dont bother with individual terms and conditions of each piece of material. Do i follow the correct way? what by buying a CD instead of downloading? Last time i bought a CD was years ago. having said that i have no new music in my limited collection.

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  # 242336 4-Aug-2009 13:08
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JordantheNerd: Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?

No.

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?

To not pay & avoid DRM.

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?

No.

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content

Yes.

do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)

Not always.








 
 
 
 




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Master Geek


  # 242387 4-Aug-2009 14:48
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Thanks guys for your thoughts so far.

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  # 242437 4-Aug-2009 15:49
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JordantheNerd: Hi,

I am currently doing a research assignment to find out if New Zealand’s copyright laws should be harsher. [...]



Hardly an unbiased start. In fact, if that is how the assignment is framed, I'd consider it too flawed to be worth pursuing. I note that your questions are grounded on debatable assumptions or are poorly defined.


"Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?"


What is meant by "work". I.e., what does the questioner consider is the desired outcome? What does the responder consider is the desired outcome? What does the responder think the questioner considers is the desired outcome?
 



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Master Geek


  # 242454 4-Aug-2009 16:00
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Hi michaelIn,

By "work", I mean, do you think it will lower the amount of money lost by the film, music, and software industries.

- Jordan

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  # 242536 4-Aug-2009 17:40
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JordantheNerd: Hi michaelIn,

By "work", I mean, do you think it will lower the amount of money lost by the film, music, and software industries.

- Jordan


That assumes that those industries actually lose money due to piracy. 1 download != 1 lost sale.



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  # 242538 4-Aug-2009 17:43
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Hmm, you've got a point. The people who download illegally wouldn't actually buy the products if they were to get busted by downloading it....

 
 
 
 


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  # 242558 4-Aug-2009 18:05
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Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?
No.

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?
Price - Legally downloading a film to own is still expensive compared to other methods of purchasing or viewing a film. In NZ due to our download caps, we pay twice. Once to legally purchase the film, then again with our high cost internet access. 


Release dates
- Illegal films for download come out before they are released legally (for purchase on DVD or download). Some people dislike sharing a movie they paid for with a room full of stinky food eating, loud chewing, text messaging, chair kicking, BO smelling, groping teenagers, so they prefer to watch a film in the privacy of their own home, when they can pause if they need to run to the bathroom or get another drink. Why wait until some company says you can watch it at home on DVD? Why wait until some company says your country can watch it, while the rest of the word saw it 3 months ago?


DRM - Legal downloads are often not 'purchases', but rather 'renting'. (As far as I know) DVD's cannot be legally backed up to a hard drive. If through (what most people consider normal usage – transferring to another device or backing up something purchased), the customer is going to be performing an illegal act, why not go the full hog and just download it illegally?

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?
As said before, what do you mean by work?
Reduce the amount of piracy? No. Due to NZ's download caps, rubbish 'broadband' speeds and high cost of internet, the 'sneaker net' is huge.
Increase profits for film makers? No. As said before, a download does not equal a lost sale. And if someone just lost their internet connection, do you think they will want to give the people responsible more money?

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content, and do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)

For commercial use, of course.

Question suggestion:
If films were available for download without DRM, in high quality, at the same time as a DVD release (hell, why not also ask 'at the same time as a theatre release?), at a lower price point than a DVD (to reflect the lower cost of manufacturing, production and distribution), would you still illegally download film?
No. But I don't illegally download films now either.

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  # 242593 4-Aug-2009 18:44
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1. No.


2. Many points already raised. I for one would love to have a legitimate download service, when the DVD is released we should be able to download the movie and have no restrictions over those present on a real DVD (eg. can only be played within NZ, but not limited to a certain number of computers). I would also pay for a streaming movie service at the same time as the theatrical releases.


3. Probably not.


4. I hate it when I legitimately buy a DVD and then have to sit through "you wouldn't steal a car...". I just bought the thing and you're accusing me of piracy?!



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  # 242688 4-Aug-2009 21:54
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Thanks guys for your answers. Keep them coming!

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# 242693 4-Aug-2009 22:09
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JordantheNerd: Hmm, you've got a point. The people who download illegally wouldn't actually buy the products if they were to get busted by downloading it....


More like the people who download illegally wouldn't have necessarily bought the item anyway. E.g. "That song is OK, but I'd never buy it. Oh, I can download it for free (even though it's illegal)? Might as well." That's not a lost sale, and doesn't result in the copyright holders losing any money. Of course, you knew that already, but you're clearly biased as hell.

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  # 242706 4-Aug-2009 22:23
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Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?
No

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?
Stuff like music, and movies are too expensive here compared with other countries

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?
Most certainly not

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content, and do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)
Sometimes

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  # 242709 4-Aug-2009 22:25
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JordantheNerd: Hi,



I am currently doing a research assignment to find out if New Zealand’s copyright laws should be harsher. To help me achieve this, I require some opinions from the New Zealand public. Don’t worry, all I need is opinions, I’m not relying on you as my main source of information!



I would appreciate it if you could please reply with your answers, as soon as possible.



Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content, and do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)



Thank you for your help,

Jordan


piracy laws? which ones? what does the law at the moment say about "piracy"? Isn't copyright infrigement  a civil action between the copyright holder and the person who is breaching their copyright. Why aren't the copyright laws good enough as they are at the moment? If someone breaches someone's copyright why don't they do something at the moment about it? introducing a new law will make any difference?

Can't MGM or Warner or whoever go after someone at the moment in NZ with the existing laws?




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  # 242732 4-Aug-2009 22:47
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Do you think New Zealand’s internet piracy laws should be harsher?

No

Why do you think someone would illegally download a file, rather than purchase it legally?

Due to the high cost of Music / movies in this country

Do you think the government’s new policy on termination of internet accounts will work?

No, there are already many meathods out on the net on how to become "Hidden" after the s92a scare.

Do you pay attention to the copyright notices on content, and do you follow the correct procedure to get authority of usage? (by contacting the license owner, or company representing the owner)


Most of the time.


Being a Dj I download quite a bit of music mainly remixes, (All legally due to having the correct license) but many of the files I download are illegal remix's of the song anyway.

I think if anything they should change it so that if you buy something e.g a song you have every right to remix it / format shift it as you please.

Secondly, I know alot of people who go out and buy a Dvd but also still download a copy of the movie and store it on their HTPC so they do not have to get up and put the disc in and risk damaging it.

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  # 242739 4-Aug-2009 22:57
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no to all your questions :P




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